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View Poll Results: Who punches harder?
Ingo 13 30.95%
Sonny 27 64.29%
Punching power is equal between these two 2 4.76%
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Old 03-23-2012, 01:32 AM   #16
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Ingo initially decked an attacking Machen with a single right before nearly killing him. His right produced single punch count outs on footage of more than one bout.

14 times, opponents of Sonny's were counted out in 39 stoppage wins. 11 of Ingo's 17 stoppage wins had "Ten!" counted over them. Based on Machen and Patterson's testimony, I lean towards the "clean" power of Ingo's right over the "dirtier" power Sonny had in either hand. Patterson was decked a lot, but only Liston and Johansson really had him on queer street. Looking at the footage, it does appear Ingo hurt Floyd more with singular shots in their first and third bouts. He definitely carried flashing, lighning "knockout drops" in his "toonder." Sonny was more clubbing, like Foreman.
Really well put, and I agree.

Liston is the more dangerous fighter over the long term, but Ingo could spark you for the count.
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Old 03-23-2012, 01:40 AM   #17
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It might be a little harder to hit a guy with a clean singular shot if they are terrified and running away. Liston had put the fear of God into so many of his opponents.

I think that Ingo caught Floyd by suprise at least in that first fight. There wasnt that much known about him.
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Old 03-23-2012, 03:59 AM   #18
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Going into the first floyd fight he was a deserving top contender with a sparkage victory over machen.

I think I like duo's post, ingo has more clean ko power whereas liston has more clubbing blunt force trauma power.
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Old 03-23-2012, 04:16 AM   #19
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Liston had the heavy shot in both hands that contiues with age. Ingos power was also heavy handed. with less sharpness and clubbing he bowled over richardson pretty good but in his prime with more sharpness ingo might have the edge with that one hand. Liston hurt with each punch though.
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Old 03-23-2012, 10:45 AM   #20
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Really well put, and I agree.

Liston is the more dangerous fighter over the long term, but Ingo could spark you for the count.
I think this is how I see it
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Old 03-23-2012, 10:56 AM   #21
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Besided packing the 'Toonder', Ingo was a good evaluater of boxing talent.

One of the few who said, before the Sonny Liston vs. Cassius Clay fight in Miami.

Liston packs a big-wallop. But his right hand is slow. It is so slow, that there are
cob-webs on his arm. If Clay can get through the first 3 rounds, he can do it, his speed will be the difference in this fight.

Sonny and Ingo had a tentative agreement to fight in November 1961.

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Old 03-24-2012, 07:52 AM   #22
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Would have been great if that fight came off.

Then we'd be able to say liston cleaned out his era.

I think taking everything into account liston should win this poll. He has power in both hands and has raw clubbing power.

Even though I think the hammer of thor is the greatest punch either possess, liston wins here.
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Old 03-24-2012, 08:27 AM   #23
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Sonny and Ingo were supposed to fight in November 1961.

$250,000 for each fighter.

A hell of a payday at the time, for a non-championship fight.

Ingo was looking to redeem himself after the '2' bad losses to Floyd Patterson.

Sonny was looking to take on the next best challenger, as his management had lost faith in securing a shot at Floyd.

It would have been one interesting fight.

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Going into the first floyd fight he was a deserving top contender with a sparkage victory over machen.

I think I like duo's post, ingo has more clean ko power whereas liston has more clubbing blunt force trauma power.
I've always felt Machen would have a good chance in a rematch with Ingo, so did Eddie, I think the result flattered Ingo somewhat , but he never got it despite lobbying fiercely for it. Atrocious refereeing too, what was he waiting for, a death certificate before stopping it?
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I've always felt Machen would have a good chance in a rematch with Ingo, so did Eddie, I think the result flattered Ingo somewhat , but he never got it despite lobbying fiercely for it. Atrocious refereeing too, what was he waiting for, a death certificate before stopping it?
Rematches from a ko 1 are quite rare.

Floyd got his rematch with sonny because he was the one with the paper championship, two contenders meeting and resulting in ko1 usually sees them go in different directions.
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Rematches from a ko 1 are quite rare.

Floyd got his rematch with sonny because he was the one with the paper championship, two contenders meeting and resulting in ko1 usually sees them go in different directions.
lufcrazy,,

Floyd got the re-match because of a guaranteed signed contract, that also included promotional rights to Sonny Liston's first defense if he had defeated Patterson.

It was the MONEY...
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Sonny and Ingo were supposed to fight in November 1961.

$250,000 for each fighter.

A hell of a payday at the time, for a non-championship fight.

Ingo was looking to redeem himself after the '2' bad losses to Floyd Patterson.

Sonny was looking to take on the next best challenger, as his management had lost faith in securing a shot at Floyd.

It would have been one interesting fight.
What stopped the fight from taking place?
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Old 03-24-2012, 10:43 AM   #28
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Yeah it's a shame we never saw ingo v liston.
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What stopped the fight from taking place?

Sonny got in trouble with the law on June 12, 1961, in Philadelphia.

The Pennsylvania Boxing Commision immediately pulled his boxing license.

George Katz, Sonny's manager at the time had negotiated a
deal to fight Ingo in Philadelphia or New York, scheduled for September, October or November.

In August 1961, they were still trying to save the fight.

But the promoters pulled out, as too much bad press was following
Sonny.
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Yeah it's a shame we never saw ingo v liston.
Shame to INGO! As Liston much appraised for fight HIM'S leftovers.
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