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Old 03-24-2012, 02:29 PM   #76
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Not sure if this is any use to anyone but I used Hhascup's lineage plus Senya's correction to produce an easy to read breakdown. I'm not sure how accurate it is either but if anyone has any corrections i'm sure they'll let me know


Name; Reign; Defences
Charles C Smith; 1876-1881; 0
Prof Charles Hadley; 1881-1883; 3
George Godfrey; 1883-1888; 2
Peter Jackson; 1888-1896; 0
Bob Armstrong; 1896-1898; 1
Frank Childs; 1898-1898; 2
George Byers; 1898-1901; 1
Frank Childs(2); 1901-1902; 0
Denver Ed Martin; 1902-1903; 4
Jack Johnson; 1903-1909; 19
Sam McVea; 1909-1909; 1
Joe Jeannette; 1909-1909; 0
Sam Langford; 1909-1911; 10
Sam McVea(2); 1911-1912; 0
Sam Langford(2); 1912-1915; 21
Joe Jeannette(2); 1915-1915; 1
Sam McVea(3); 1915-1915; 0
Harry Wills; 1915-1916; 2
Sam Langford(3); 1916-1917; 13
Bill Tate; 1917-1917; 0
Sam Langford(4); 1917-1918; 5
Harry Wills(2); 1918-1926; 28
George Godfrey; 1926-1928; 4
Larry Gains; 1928-1930; 0
George Godfrey(2); 1930-1933; 5
Obie Walker; 1933-1935; 0
Larry Gains(2); 1935; 0
Senya found a mistake in a hhascup post ?
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Old 03-24-2012, 03:23 PM   #77
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Senya found a mistake in a hhascup post ?
Yeah, 2 really.

first was one fight that henry had forgottne to mention.

second was the revelation that a fight henry claimed to be a title fight was atcually a no decision fight.
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Old 03-24-2012, 03:37 PM   #78
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Yeah, 2 really.

first was one fight that henry had forgottne to mention.

second was the revelation that a fight henry claimed to be a title fight was atcually a no decision fight.
being ruled a ND doesn't stop it from being a title fight even if d title didn't swap parties . But it is still impressing .
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Old 03-24-2012, 03:46 PM   #79
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being ruled a ND doesn't stop it from being a title fight even if d title didn't swap parties . But it is still impressing .
No, it was a title fight whereby wills had to knock him out to take the title since it was a no decision fight.

Wills didn't knock him out therefore langford successfully defended his coloured championship.
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Old 03-24-2012, 03:56 PM   #80
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No, it was a title fight whereby wills had to knock him out to take the title since it was a no decision fight.

Wills didn't knock him out therefore langford successfully defended his coloured championship.
so u mean that hhascup mistook it as a stoppage while it was a ND and there4 d title did not switch parties in that said fight ?
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Old 03-25-2012, 05:58 AM   #81
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so u mean that hhascup mistook it as a stoppage while it was a ND and there4 d title did not switch parties in that said fight ?
No, for some reason henry mistook it as an official decision victory for wills therefore thinking the title switched hands. In reality, because it was no decision, the title stayed with langford.
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Old 03-25-2012, 09:30 AM   #82
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No, for some reason henry mistook it as an official decision victory for wills therefore thinking the title switched hands. In reality, because it was no decision, the title stayed with langford.
then maybe he had his reasons 2 consider it as such and it was no mistake ?
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Old 03-25-2012, 09:57 AM   #83
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then maybe he had his reasons 2 consider it as such and it was no mistake ?
I think he was going by the ring record book but senya proved it was actually a nd fight.

It's all on this thread. Page 2 if you have it on the maximum posts per page.
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Old 03-25-2012, 01:08 PM   #84
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I think he was going by the ring record book but senya proved it was actually a nd fight.

It's all on this thread. Page 2 if you have it on the maximum posts per page.
ok , not that i was ever interested in d lineage of any title as lineages r also effected by duckings , cheats and d overall corruption that probably always existed and no1 (except from myself of course) was ever interested at solving . what caught my attention here was d possibility of a mistake by hhascup .
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Old 03-26-2012, 02:06 PM   #85
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As has been said, it was a mistake supported by "many including Luckett Davis, the Ring Record Book and others", not just by Henry. That's why it is good to have several next-day reports of the fight.
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Old 03-26-2012, 02:09 PM   #86
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As has been said, it was a mistake supported by "many including Luckett Davis, the Ring Record Book and others", not just by Henry. That's why it is good to have several next-day reports of the fight.
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Great thread !
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Here is a list and years reigned from Barry J. Hugman of the World Heavyweight Champions 1889-1937:

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Old 05-22-2012, 10:42 PM   #89
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Johnson never agreed to fight Langford after he won the title. Langford challenged him but Johnson never agreed to it and so his showing up was not a matter of fear but a matter of never agreeing to the fight anyway. Johnson already defeated Langford. The colored heavyweight title never really meant much anyway. Its sad a lot of black fighters never got a shot. There were a plethora of talented negro fighters at that time!
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