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Old 07-11-2007, 01:46 AM   #31
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Who gives a **** about belts i mean the boxing fans know that winky is top 3 p4p. B Hop wants to fight winky its his choice he's coming out of retirement. I don't have a problem with that because he's the executioner.

winky is no push over pal. he will cary his skills up to lhw because he doesn't rely too much on his agillity now that he's older.

and how can you say winky is scared of taylor when he already fought, and clearly outlanded him?
Where did I say Winky was scared of Taylor?

How do you know Winky will carry his skills up to LHW? I'd like to see him fight a real LHW and prove it. Or even a real SMW for a start.

I don't think Winky is a pushover. And I think this would be a good fight at middleweight. It's just a cheek to call it anything else above a middleweight fight. The catchweight is just a gentlemans agreement to nut have to dry out to make weight IMO.
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Old 07-11-2007, 01:56 AM   #32
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We will know the value of a Wright win in the first round of the fight.

If Hopkins looks like he has no legs or has deteriorated then Winky should not get full credit for the win.
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Old 07-11-2007, 02:17 AM   #33
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hopkins will look good
You think he'll win?
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Old 07-11-2007, 03:26 AM   #34
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who cares about the catch weight. i wanna two of boxing's best talents fight eachother, just to see who wins. i'd rather see winky fight b-hop then shut out say a vernon forrest or a de la hoya.
I want to see boxing's two best fighters fight eachother too. Which is why a small winky vs an old (really old!) Hopkins doesn't sound very interesting. The same with Pac vs old and worn Barrera. Move on move on... This is like praising an old boys match between Germany and Brasil where they would put Cesar, Zico, Rumenigge etc. on the field. Good names, but really... mostly names.

Don't get me wrong. The fight does make sense for both of them in a risk/reward sense - but that doesn't mean the fans shouldn't aspire to get some real fights on. Hopkins and Winky should get it over with and take on Dawson and Erdei if they want to stay at LHW. If they did that - THEN there would be somethoing on the line! because Dawson IS NOT a good risk/reward scenario for either, BUT that is exactly what makes it interesting. Pac should stop doing the same boring thing with Barrera and Morales forever and ever. Apparently it matters little who wins or looses becasue they just make a rematch for ever. Good risk/reward for Pac, but frankly getting boring for the fans. Take on a redhot Valero who is waiting for some action. Bad risk/reward for Pac maybe, but great reward for the fans. Finally something on the line.

Move on, give us good fights.
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Old 07-11-2007, 03:32 AM   #35
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Nope.
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Old 07-11-2007, 06:07 AM   #36
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hopkins wins winky is VERY OVERRATED he only just beat soliman which was a disputed fight
Get the **** out of here noob
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Old 07-11-2007, 07:21 AM   #37
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If Winky wins then he is my #1 P4P
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Old 07-11-2007, 07:49 AM   #38
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You can only make a case for Winky being top 3, resume wise. He sure as hell is not one of the top 3 P4P best fighters in the world right now.
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Old 07-11-2007, 08:00 AM   #39
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If Floyd doesn't retire - no, he'll be no. 2.

If Floyd retires - very good chance and a good argument can be made.

Of course this all depends on Winky BEATING Hopkins
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Old 07-11-2007, 10:21 AM   #40
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I'm tired of people saying Winky beat Taylor. He blew the fight by doing a "De La Hoya" in the 11th and 12th rounds. Neither one of them did enough to win and him not fighting Taylor again makes him look bad.
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Old 07-11-2007, 10:43 AM   #41
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Winky has fought only four times in more or less two years, quartey, soliman and taylor fights were all unimpressive. sure you could make a case for him winning against taylor, but he didn't. and beating hopkins already makes him #1?

compare that to pac's resume on the same span. morales 2x, larios, and two solid contenders in jorge solis and hector velasquez.
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Old 07-11-2007, 12:18 PM   #42
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Let the Calzaghe lovers and Taylor haters downplay this match.

If Winky beats Hopkins, he is #1. He is moving FIFTEEN pounds in weight to a division without as much as a tune-up match, for the legitimate light heavyweight world championship, against a Hall of Famer no less in Hopkins. As my name suggests, I'm a Pacquiao fan, but even I can see that Pacquiao would be no greater than #3 if Winky were to win here. (Then again, if Pacquiao can manage to beat Barrera and then Marquez in dominant fashion, then his case for #1 would be reopened. But until that happens, it's Winky's time.)

Winky's last 7 fights: Mosley, Mosley, Trinidad, Soliman, Taylor, Quartey, Hopkins (Mosley was legit 154 champ at time, Taylor legit 160 champ at the time, and Hopkins legit 175 champ now)

Mayweather's last 7 fights: Corley, Bruseles, Gatti, Mitchell, Judah, Baldomir, De La Hoya (of the 7 fighters, only Baldomir was a legit champ, which was at 147)

Pacquiao's last 7 fights: 3K Battery, Morales, Velasquez, Morales, Larios, Morales, Solis (0 legit champs, and the first Morales fight was a loss)
this pretty much sums it up. He will be #1 provided he beats Hopkins convincingly. He would have the resume, the skill, and should have the p$p title. And Hopkins age has nothing to do with anything. In terms of boxing age, I would say that Hopkins is much younger than the shop worn Barrera who some here are already dying see KO'ed (which he will be) so Pac can have the spot. Winky FTW.
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Old 07-11-2007, 01:23 PM   #43
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He was the naturally smaller man in that fight and clearly won anyway fool.
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Old 07-11-2007, 01:27 PM   #44
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Boxing fans are in denial, trying to believe that Winky fighting Hopkins at 41 means something. Believe it or not boxers are just like every other athlete and they actually get old. What pisses me off is that when Hopkins/Jones were supposed to fight last yr everyone was going crazy saying is wouldn't mean anything at all but now of a sudden Hopkins/Winky is more meaningful? Go figure...
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Old 07-11-2007, 01:33 PM   #45
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Yeah, Winky will have to be numero uno.
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