the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread. - Page 132

Vic-JofreBRASIL · 04-13-2012, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by lufcrazy

Yeah just noticed that!

I'll get round to watching jofre v medel eventually, from reports that seems to be his best performance.

I think his best performances were against Caldwell, Caraballo and Ramon Arias (from what I read, there is no footage against Arias and incomplete footage against Caldwell and Caraballo)...

lufcrazy · 04-13-2012, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Lester1583

Bodysnatchah!

No way man. Out of everyone who's competed in the division, I can't think of one man i'd favour over hearns.

Spearmint Rhino · 04-13-2012, 04:27 PM

The win over Cuevas for me ranks higher than the execution of Duran.

Duran knew what he was in for that night and in fairness took his licks like a man, but I can't over-credit Hearns for that, tbh.

I'd rate the win over Hill as his best, then Cuevas, though I think the performance of his career was the loss to Leonard in 81.

Flea Man · 04-13-2012, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by lufcrazy

No way man. Out of everyone who's competed in the division, I can't think of one man i'd favour over hearns.

LMR for me.

Flea Man · 04-13-2012, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by lufcrazy

Hearns v Duran.

Wow.

How many people could you realistically expect to beat that tommy hearns at 154 pounds?

Phenomenal. I used to class hsi cuevas victory as his best, but this here was something else. Duran was stripped of his title as well so it would have been a unification bout.

Noone ever dominated Duran that way in the rest of his career (spanning a further 20 years

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Absolutely one of the greatest performance in filmed boxing history.

Yeah, agree with the closing statement.

lufcrazy · 04-13-2012, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Spearmint Rhino

The win over Cuevas for me ranks higher than the execution of Duran.

Duran knew what he was in for that night and in fairness took his licks like a man, but I can't over-credit Hearns for that, tbh.

I'd rate the win over Hill as his best, then Cuevas, though I think the performance of his career was the loss to Leonard in 81.

The duran that hearns beat was much better than the cuevas that hearns beat.

It certainly wasn't a prime duran, but a past prime duran was still better than most boxers out there.

His win over hill is ridiculous. A past prime ww has no right outboxing the best lhw in the world.

lufcrazy · 04-13-2012, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Vic-JofreBRASIL

I think his best performances were against Caldwell, Caraballo and Ramon Arias (from what I read, there is no footage against Arias and incomplete footage against Caldwell and Caraballo)...

Yeah I meant full footage fights.

Plus medel has the ko victory over harada.

Vic-JofreBRASIL · 04-13-2012, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by lufcrazy

Yeah I meant full footage fights.

Plus medel has the ko victory over harada.

Eder vs Elias II Full exists too.....
Never watched it, I´ll try to get this footage this year somehow.....

lufcrazy · 04-13-2012, 05:30 PM

So vic, if you could somehow use a time machine to say put a 1962 version of jofre in there with the harada, do you think jofre could do it?

Vic-JofreBRASIL · 04-13-2012, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by lufcrazy

So vic, if you could somehow use a time machine to say put a 1962 version of jofre in there with the harada, do you think jofre could do it?

Yeah...I think so..

I think he was a bit faster some years ago....and other important point is : If at least one of the fights was outside Japan would be different.....
And I´m not talking about judges......but I think Jofre would feel much more confortable and at least would win more of these close rounds......
Put the two bouts in Brazil and I think Eder would win both...he would fight better and I don´t have doubt that Harada would feel uncomfortable to fight away from home against passionate and intense fans as the Brazilian are....

And then.....with two wins against Harada I think everything would be different today rating him in an ATG ranking !

lufcrazy · 04-13-2012, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Vic-JofreBRASIL

Yeah...I think so..

I think he was a bit faster some years ago....and other important point is : If at least one of the fights was outside Japan would be different.....
And I´m not talking about judges......but I think Jofre would feel much more confortable and at least would win more of these close rounds......
Put the two bouts in Brazil and I think Eder would win both...he would fight better and I don´t have doubt that Harada would feel uncomfortable to fight away from home against passionate and intense fans as the Brazilian are....

And then.....with two wins against Harada I think everything would be different today rating him in an ATG ranking !

His reflexes seemed hit and miss in the fights he had. Sometimes he'd catch him perfectly and keep him at range, other's harada would confuse him with angles and leave him looking vulnerable.

The irony is, had he twice beaten harada, fighting himself would not be seen as a great bw and jofre would probably have just lost to rose instead.

He'd still be the greatest bw in history, he'd just have two extra defences

lora · 04-13-2012, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by lufcrazy

No way man. Out of everyone who's competed in the division, I can't think of one man i'd favour over hearns.

you might change your mind when you watch something like Minchillo

Not that Hearns is a bad pick, he's probably in the top 2 for most, as far as actual modern jr middle fighters go, but just the Duran fight doesn't tell the whole story

Lester1583 · 04-14-2012, 02:45 AM

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No way man. Out of everyone who's competed in the division, I can't think of one man i'd favour over hearns.

I can easily see Hearns winning the early rounds... only to be brutally stopped by Mighty McCallum in the championship rounds!

Flea Man · 04-14-2012, 04:43 AM

As I say, LMR>McCallum, especially as a possible pick to beat Hearns IMO.

I would say they are the two best picks though. You'd need a solid technician at range and in close with a bit of pop and a stout chin. In that respect, Rodriguez and McCallum are not dissimilar.

Lester1583 · 04-14-2012, 06:45 AM

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As I say, LMR>McCallum

What?

You only say that cuz you scored all four Griffith fights as wins for El Feo!

McCallum beat Kamambay himself!
And nobody ever beat Kalambay.
Nobody.

(Nunn doesn't count)

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Spearmint Rhino Check Hook Boxing East Side Guru Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Check Hook Boxing Posts: 5,336 vCash: 500	Re: the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread. The win over Cuevas for me ranks higher than the execution of Duran. Duran knew what he was in for that night and in fairness took his licks like a man, but I can't over-credit Hearns for that, tbh. I'd rate the win over Hill as his best, then Cuevas, though I think the performance of his career was the loss to Leonard in 81.
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lufcrazy requiescat in pace East Side VIP Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: England, Up North Posts: 22,694 vCash: 330	Re: the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread. So vic, if you could somehow use a time machine to say put a 1962 version of jofre in there with the harada, do you think jofre could do it?
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Flea Man มวยสากล East Side VIP Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: @ferociousflea Posts: 44,042 vCash: 75	Re: the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread. As I say, LMR>McCallum, especially as a possible pick to beat Hearns IMO. I would say they are the two best picks though. You'd need a solid technician at range and in close with a bit of pop and a stout chin. In that respect, Rodriguez and McCallum are not dissimilar.
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