Is Joe Gallagher dangerous....

Spearmint Rhino · 04-21-2012, 06:32 PM

I mean.... has there ever been a trainer so apparently inept at drilling his fighters in terms of their defensive skills?

He's had lots of talent walk into that gym, and they all seem to morph into flat footed, average punching plodders that get hit constantly - seemingly the only hope is to have a better chin than your opponent or hope that he's got Paulie type power.

John Murray - banged up and stopped x2
Steven Smith - banged up and stopped vs Selby
Paul Smith - blasted out by Groves
Macklin - face first slugging vs Sturm
Joe Murray- ragged as hell every fight
Quigg - getting hit more and more in recent fights

And now Crolla....

It seems the 42-0 or whatever it was t-shirts have well and truly come back to bite him on the arse.

I know it's the ''Manchester style'' but FFS, how hard can it be to come up with a few defensive tricks, and implement them?

For all the shit that I've given Vince Cleverly.... on recent form there ain't much to choose between them.

richard mossley · 04-21-2012, 06:37 PM

I think he is a terrible trainer, all his fighters take way too much punishment

SkillspayBills · 04-21-2012, 06:37 PM

TBH Jim Watt made a comment early in fight that struck a cord with me when he said 'when i first saw Crolla he looked a nice boxer but not strong but now he's stronger'(Paraphrasing). Really Crolla has become stronger and has now decided to march forward with gloves blocking face. Bullying and breaking down opponents. Now that wasn't the kid i first saw fighting...

Squared up on shoulders and coming in straight lines, I dunno but from the entrance music hitting i sensed he thought he could just hit Derry's nose and it was game over.

Pressure fighting isn't walking forward covering face and landing few jabs and body shots and then getting stuck in on inside. There seems to be a lack of craft about the 'Manchester style' and it's being shown up.

I think the formula run out a while back, Look what Selby did to Smith who again just steamed in. There's no angles, there's a variety of punches and effectiveness but not much else.

GazOC · 04-21-2012, 06:39 PM

Scrub P Smith and Murray from that list. They were just overmatched.

pathmanc1986 · 04-21-2012, 06:40 PM

gallaghers fighters dont seem to move their heads, at all. even cursory side to side head movement and move pivoting off his front foot and crolla would have stopped mathews imo

Spearmint Rhino · 04-21-2012, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SkillspayBills

TBH Jim Watt made a comment early in fight that struck a cord with me when he said 'when i first saw Crolla he looked a nice boxer but not strong but now he's stronger'(Paraphrasing). Really Crolla has become stronger and has now decided to march forward with gloves blocking face. Bullying and breaking down opponents. Now that wasn't the kid i first saw fighting...

Squared up on shoulders and coming in straight lines, I dunno but from the entrance music hitting i sensed he thought he could just hit Derry's nose and it was game over.

Pressure fighting isn't walking forward covering face and landing few jabs and body shots and then getting stuck in on inside. There seems to be a lack of craft about the 'Manchester style' and it's being shown up.

I think the formula run out a while back, Look what Selby did to Smith who again just steamed in. There's no angles, there's a variety of punches and effectiveness but not much else.

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Originally Posted by GazOC

Scrub P Smith and Murray from that list. They were just overmatched.

Shit... forgot about Well Prepared Mitchell

Fair enough....

chrisbonnie · 04-21-2012, 06:44 PM

i reckon Gallaghers "expert analysis" consists of him and his fighters sitting down to watch a Rocky movie. Their defenses are not just shit, their non existent.

DrMo · 04-21-2012, 06:44 PM

Pressure isnt effective if you cant avoid shots on the way in, look at Chavez & Frazier who had great head movement

Joe Gs fighters just plough straight forward, upright & gloves high. There doesnt seem to be any real craft or method to the madness

GazOC · 04-21-2012, 06:44 PM

I meant Rios!

SkillspayBills · 04-21-2012, 06:45 PM

I think gameplans are done around the protein shakes and bars.

boranbkk · 04-21-2012, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SkillspayBills

TBH Jim Watt made a comment early in fight that struck a cord with me when he said 'when i first saw Crolla he looked a nice boxer but not strong but now he's stronger'(Paraphrasing). Really Crolla has become stronger and has now decided to march forward with gloves blocking face. Bullying and breaking down opponents. Now that wasn't the kid i first saw fighting...

Squared up on shoulders and coming in straight lines, I dunno but from the entrance music hitting i sensed he thought he could just hit Derry's nose and it was game over.

Pressure fighting isn't walking forward covering face and landing few jabs and body shots and then getting stuck in on inside. There seems to be a lack of craft about the 'Manchester style' and it's being shown up.

I think the formula run out a while back, Look what Selby did to Smith who again just steamed in. There's no angles, there's a variety of punches and effectiveness but not much else.

Good post.

Primadonna Kool · 04-21-2012, 06:49 PM

I like him..

I like his violent style of training.

I am a big fan of violence inside of the ring.

lozkina · 04-21-2012, 06:51 PM

i would like to see stephen smith going back to the rotunda but he wont

macho_grande · 04-21-2012, 06:52 PM

I'm quite new to Crolla.... After watching the build up I was expecting to see something very different from him...

You have to question the sparring. Crolla had no clue what to do when he got hurt. Surly this sort of stuff should get covered of in sparring?

Bill C84 · 04-21-2012, 06:52 PM

Its like he teaches his fighters to fight like a Mexican but without the skill and movement.

04-21-2012, 06:32 PM	#1
Spearmint Rhino Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Check Hook Boxing Posts: 2,207 vCash: 500	Is Joe Gallagher dangerous.... I mean.... has there ever been a trainer so apparently inept at drilling his fighters in terms of their defensive skills? He's had lots of talent walk into that gym, and they all seem to morph into flat footed, average punching plodders that get hit constantly - seemingly the only hope is to have a better chin than your opponent or hope that he's got Paulie type power. John Murray - banged up and stopped x2 Steven Smith - banged up and stopped vs Selby Paul Smith - blasted out by Groves Macklin - face first slugging vs Sturm Joe Murray- ragged as hell every fight Quigg - getting hit more and more in recent fights And now Crolla.... It seems the 42-0 or whatever it was t-shirts have well and truly come back to bite him on the arse. I know it's the ''Manchester style'' but FFS, how hard can it be to come up with a few defensive tricks, and implement them? For all the shit that I've given Vince Cleverly.... on recent form there ain't much to choose between them.
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richard mossley Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 2,581 vCash: 1022	Re: Is Joe Gallagher dangerous.... I think he is a terrible trainer, all his fighters take way too much punishment
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SkillspayBills Mandanda Running E-Pen East Side VIP Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 10,566 vCash: 500	Re: Is Joe Gallagher dangerous.... TBH Jim Watt made a comment early in fight that struck a cord with me when he said 'when i first saw Crolla he looked a nice boxer but not strong but now he's stronger'(Paraphrasing). Really Crolla has become stronger and has now decided to march forward with gloves blocking face. Bullying and breaking down opponents. Now that wasn't the kid i first saw fighting... Squared up on shoulders and coming in straight lines, I dunno but from the entrance music hitting i sensed he thought he could just hit Derry's nose and it was game over. Pressure fighting isn't walking forward covering face and landing few jabs and body shots and then getting stuck in on inside. There seems to be a lack of craft about the 'Manchester style' and it's being shown up. I think the formula run out a while back, Look what Selby did to Smith who again just steamed in. There's no angles, there's a variety of punches and effectiveness but not much else.
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04-21-2012, 06:39 PM	#4
GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff East Side VIP Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: The Spion Kop Posts: 30,812 vCash: 1000	Re: Is Joe Gallagher dangerous.... Scrub P Smith and Murray from that list. They were just overmatched.
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pathmanc1986 Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 4,331 vCash: 1000	Re: Is Joe Gallagher dangerous.... gallaghers fighters dont seem to move their heads, at all. even cursory side to side head movement and move pivoting off his front foot and crolla would have stopped mathews imo
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chrisbonnie Journeyman ESB Jr Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 234 vCash: 1000	Re: Is Joe Gallagher dangerous.... i reckon Gallaghers "expert analysis" consists of him and his fighters sitting down to watch a Rocky movie. Their defenses are not just shit, their non existent.
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DrMo Team GB East Side VIP Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 10,508 vCash: 122	Re: Is Joe Gallagher dangerous.... Pressure isnt effective if you cant avoid shots on the way in, look at Chavez & Frazier who had great head movement Joe Gs fighters just plough straight forward, upright & gloves high. There doesnt seem to be any real craft or method to the madness
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SkillspayBills Mandanda Running E-Pen East Side VIP Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 10,566 vCash: 500	Re: Is Joe Gallagher dangerous.... I think gameplans are done around the protein shakes and bars.
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Primadonna Kool Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Liverpool Posts: 9,800 vCash: 1000	Re: Is Joe Gallagher dangerous.... I like him.. I like his violent style of training. I am a big fan of violence inside of the ring.
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