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Old 05-04-2012, 01:11 PM   #16
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From what I've seen, yes.
think he will go for it? i have a slight suspicion that from the 4th onwards he will be throwing a few combos started by an uppercut, he started a combo against ortiz with an uppercut and cotto is really open for uppercuts. maybe his new trainer will have improved that aspect of his defence at bit.
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Old 05-04-2012, 01:27 PM   #17
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think he will go for it? i have a slight suspicion that from the 4th onwards he will be throwing a few combos started by an uppercut, he started a combo against ortiz with an uppercut and cotto is really open for uppercuts. maybe his new trainer will have improved that aspect of his defence at bit.
well margo(e) was able to feint and set up his hook
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Old 05-04-2012, 01:36 PM   #18
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Cotto has T-rex arms. Oscar had the same reach as Floyd. Cotto had a 5 inch shorter reach. Oscar was 5'10 and fought like he was 5'10. Cotto is 5'7 and in his stance fights like hes 5'5. Oscar had an ATG level jab. Cotto had a good jab. Oscar had a good right hand. Cottos is average on his best day.

Mayweather was barely a welterweight when he fought Oscar at 154. Hes a muscular beast now.

Comparing the 2 is nonsensical. Might as well compare Chaf Dawson and Andre Dirrell because their both southpaws lol.
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Old 05-04-2012, 01:50 PM   #19
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think he will go for it? i have a slight suspicion that from the 4th onwards he will be throwing a few combos started by an uppercut, he started a combo against ortiz with an uppercut and cotto is really open for uppercuts. maybe his new trainer will have improved that aspect of his defence at bit.
He better not start too many combinations with a right uppercut or he's going to be met with a Cotto left hook. He needs to mix up it.

If Mayweather opens up with combinations in close quarters, I'm really interested in seeing whether or not Cotto goes into a bit of a shell, defends, waits, and resets or punches with Mayweather and tries to use his compact punching/excellent technique to crack him in the midst of an exchange.
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Old 05-04-2012, 02:19 PM   #20
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Cotto has T-rex arms. Oscar had the same reach as Floyd. Cotto had a 5 inch shorter reach. Oscar was 5'10 and fought like he was 5'10. Cotto is 5'7 and in his stance fights like hes 5'5. Oscar had an ATG level jab. Cotto had a good jab. Oscar had a good right hand. Cottos is average on his best day.

Mayweather was barely a welterweight when he fought Oscar at 154. Hes a muscular beast now.

Comparing the 2 is nonsensical. Might as well compare Chaf Dawson and Andre Dirrell because their both southpaws lol.
Too much is emphasized on the old reach/wingspan measurement. I like HBO's more accurate arm length measurement. As for the arm length of each fighter, Mayweather has a 26 inch arm length and Cotto's arm measures 23.5 inches. So Mayweather has a 2.5 inch reach advantage.
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Old 05-04-2012, 02:28 PM   #21
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Reach is grotesquely overated when it comes to jabbing anyway. Jabbing into range is more crucial if you have short arms. See prime Tyson for a fine example.

See Harold Johnson, out-jabbing fighters regardless of reach for a decade.
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Old 05-04-2012, 07:27 PM   #22
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Default Re: A look back at Oscar-Floyd and a breakdown of Cotto-Mayweather

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Cotto has T-rex arms. Oscar had the same reach as Floyd. Cotto had a 5 inch shorter reach. Oscar was 5'10 and fought like he was 5'10. Cotto is 5'7 and in his stance fights like hes 5'5. Oscar had an ATG level jab. Cotto had a good jab. Oscar had a good right hand. Cottos is average on his best day.

Mayweather was barely a welterweight when he fought Oscar at 154. Hes a muscular beast now.

Comparing the 2 is nonsensical. Might as well compare Chaf Dawson and Andre Dirrell because their both southpaws lol.
I'd say their right hands a comparable, comparing the two versions being discussed. Reach is also a factor, but when they stand next to each other, the difference doesn't seem as wide:

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Old 05-05-2012, 04:38 AM   #23
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Yeah, in terms of "versions being compared" it's not unreasonable I suppose. Oscar looked good getting off between 2-6 but you have to believe he was a bit rusty.
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Old 05-05-2012, 05:15 AM   #24
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wtf this version over that version shit. oscar de la hoya is a better fighter the miguel cotto period. would you like them to trade careers and see who would have won and loss against who ever ?
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Old 05-05-2012, 08:43 AM   #25
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There's obviously a difference between a primed Oscar and the older version that Money took on though. Oscar was 2-2 going into Mayweather whilst Cotto is 3-1, his only loss to Pac.

Ring ranked Oscar at #5 at 154 whilst Cotto is ranked #1.

Significant if not prohibitive.
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There's obviously a difference between a primed Oscar and the older version that Money took on though. Oscar was 2-2 going into Mayweather whilst Cotto is 3-1, his only loss to Pac.

Ring ranked Oscar at #5 at 154 whilst Cotto is ranked #1.

Significant if not prohibitive.
Oscar was fighting middleweights and ATGs. Cottos wins have come against...lol come on.

There one common opponent at 154 Mayorga. Oscar obliterated him in 6 rounds. Mayorga conversely landed 41% of his power punches on Cotto and wobbled him.
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Old 05-05-2012, 11:00 AM   #27
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Yeah, i'm not building Cotto as an opponent - at all.

I'll put it another way. When Floyd fought Oscar, Oscar had fought six rounds in just under three years. He was semi-retired.
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