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Old 05-07-2012, 08:11 AM   #16
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Hmm, mind telling me exactly what you mean
Proliferal Vision comes mostly from the dominant eye, which makes you left or a righty. Its a posture thing one side does the action, while the lesser sides supports the action, its the eye that sees distance and depth. Its common to switch, for altering distance, thats where without practice Boxing Southpaws is a pain in the arse. One guy Hagler, decided to change back to natural stance, when Boxing His natural way He ****ed up fighting, SRL the first few rounds. Cost Him the Fight, so take your pick, but understand why.
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Old 05-07-2012, 08:15 AM   #17
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How did it ruin things for Hagler scrap?
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Proliferal Vision comes mostly from the dominant eye, which makes you left or a righty. Its a posture thing one side does the action, while the lesser sides supports the action, its the eye that sees distance and depth. Its common to switch, for altering distance, thats where without practice Boxing Southpaws is a pain in the arse. One guy Hagler, decided to change back to natural stance, when Boxing His natural way He ****ed up fighting, SRL the first few rounds. Cost Him the Fight, so take your pick, but understand why.
Searching on internet regarding peripheral vision right now. Will reply again once i understand it better
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Old 05-07-2012, 08:20 AM   #19
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Had an interesting read regarding this peripheral vision but didnt completely understand very well. Main points i got from wikipedia were

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"The main functions of peripheral vision are:
recognition of well-known structures and forms with no need to focus by the foveal line of sight.
identification of similar forms and movements (Gestalt psychology laws)
delivery of sensations which form the background of detailed visual perception."

"It is not possible to directly observe what the brain is detecting and comprehending, so research primarily involves perception tests based on reactions of test subjects to simulated stimuli. This testing is commonly carried out by requesting test subjects to focus on an object in front of them and then flashing lights at increasing distances away from the center of the visual field, noting the subject's reactions."


So how does this work in Boxing?
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Old 05-07-2012, 08:21 AM   #20
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He turned Orthodox, for the 1st few rounds trying to be clever. But gave SRL time to ajust distance.
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Old 05-07-2012, 08:28 AM   #21
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Training a bit of southpaw is good for conditioning the "other side" of your body. It seems to help for orthodox a bit. I started southpaw and did that for a few years then went orthodox for 8 years and at the moment i do both stances. Doing both of them allows you to see the reasons why you may be able to do certain things better from one stance than the other. Ive been able to "transfer" the technique I do better from southpaw over to orthodox and the stuff i do better from orthodox over to southpaw. But as someone said training both run the risk of being good from 2 stances instead of very good from just 1. For example if you train both sides you might only ever make it to 90% of what you can get if you train 1 side. Doing both sides is a good idea in theory but there are hardly any great fighters in history who switch up often.

I do both at the moment because different weapon training i do requires left and right foot lead. The stances for weapons fighting is very similer to boxing/kickboxing/MMA stances so it crosses over well.

You might also find you can naturally fight better from southpaw than orthodox when you train that side up. But if your left hand is weak it probably isnt worth it. Being lead hand dominant and having no good punches off your rear hand isnt a good thing. I seem to have the same power in my left hand at the rear but as far as accuracy and timing goes I needed to drill it alot to get it to work well.
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Old 05-07-2012, 08:36 AM   #22
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Training a bit of southpaw is good for conditioning the "other side" of your body. It seems to help for orthodox a bit. I started southpaw and did that for a few years then went orthodox for 8 years and at the moment i do both stances. Doing both of them allows you to see the reasons why you may be able to do certain things better from one stance than the other. Ive been able to "transfer" the technique I do better from southpaw over to orthodox and the stuff i do better from orthodox over to southpaw. But as someone said training both run the risk of being good from 2 stances instead of very good from just 1. For example if you train both sides you might only ever make it to 90% of what you can get if you train 1 side. Doing both sides is a good idea in theory but there are hardly any great fighters in history who switch up often.

I do both at the moment because different weapon training i do requires left and right foot lead. The stances for weapons fighting is very similer to boxing/kickboxing/MMA stances so it crosses over well.

You might also find you can naturally fight better from southpaw than orthodox when you train that side up. But if your left hand is weak it probably isnt worth it. Being lead hand dominant and having no good punches off your rear hand isnt a good thing. I seem to have the same power in my left hand at the rear but as far as accuracy and timing goes I needed to drill it alot to get it to work well.
Your right but if your young like me you may be great at both stances and if few fighters were great at it i would love to be another one added to that list. At first my left was weak because i would jab with that hand as an orthodox and not put at much power, but now my its power is equal to my right as an orthodox. Infact as a southpaw i feel more comfortable throwing a rear hook than i would as an orthodox for a strange reason. As i said when i fight im just brain, i think alot but whatever i think i do. When i jab i have another 3 movements ready in my mind to perform according to the other guys reaction. Only thing im a bit worried about it when do i change stances? And when i do, for how long? I mainly stay orthodox sometimes but if orthodox doesn't work is it worth taking the risk and turning southpaw?
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Had an interesting read regarding this peripheral vision but didnt completely understand very well. Main points i got from wikipedia were

Functions

"The main functions of peripheral vision are:
recognition of well-known structures and forms with no need to focus by the foveal line of sight.
identification of similar forms and movements (Gestalt psychology laws)
delivery of sensations which form the background of detailed visual perception."

"It is not possible to directly observe what the brain is detecting and comprehending, so research primarily involves perception tests based on reactions of test subjects to simulated stimuli. This testing is commonly carried out by requesting test subjects to focus on an object in front of them and then flashing lights at increasing distances away from the center of the visual field, noting the subject's reactions."


So how does this work in Boxing?
heres a thing you can try stand on your right leg, with the left of the floor. do it for 10 secs, then shut your right eye see what happens
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Old 05-07-2012, 08:59 AM   #24
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Your right but if your young like me you may be great at both stances and if few fighters were great at it i would love to be another one added to that list. At first my left was weak because i would jab with that hand as an orthodox and not put at much power, but now my its power is equal to my right as an orthodox. Infact as a southpaw i feel more comfortable throwing a rear hook than i would as an orthodox for a strange reason. As i said when i fight im just brain, i think alot but whatever i think i do. When i jab i have another 3 movements ready in my mind to perform according to the other guys reaction. Only thing im a bit worried about it when do i change stances? And when i do, for how long? I mainly stay orthodox sometimes but if orthodox doesn't work is it worth taking the risk and turning southpaw?

Yeh i know what you mean about being as good with both. I thought the same thing when i was younger and sure you can probably get close if your dedicated but if your splitting your training volume down the middle for each one so you train each side 50/50, chances are you will lack that last bit of quality that makes a very good fighter a great fighter. And you cant just decide to double the amount of rounds you do to train both sides because that will also be counterproductive.

See how close fights are at the highest levels and even 5% extra quality can make a difference in the outcome at times. Alot of boxers who i have followed who said they train some southpaw and then tell people they will switch up in the fight and fight that way for a bit quickly go back to orthodox when they start getting whooped on. Floyd was one of the only guys i saw in more recent times that could be kicking a guys arse (shamba mitchell) and then switch to southpaw for a bit and still kick his arse. But mitchell wasent anywhere on his level.

And yeh you will notice you do things from southpaw better. Thats what I meant when I said sometimes you can analyze why your rear hook is better from that stance and then try and improve the quality of the one from your other stance. You will probably start to notice other things you do better as you get your right side trained up more to match your left side.

When to switch up would depend on who your fighting I guess. Some people i know dont seem bothered by a guy switching stances. They know how to fight southpaws as easily as orthodox. I guess it would just depend on which side you have the most success against them with. I never really got the whole idea of switching the stance repeatedly to confuse someone. I wouldnt be confused as it just means your either fighting someone in orthodox or southpaw and you change your techniques to suit. Southpaw vs orthodox fights are usally more 1 dimentional. The fights are not as dynamic as a same stance fight.

Anyway its all worth experimenting with. You can learn alot just by giving it a go.
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I mainly stay orthodox sometimes but if orthodox doesn't work is it worth taking the risk and turning southpaw?
If your getting beat on or having no success and your good at southpaw then its definatly worth trying. Some guys will have trouble then. But if you change to southpaw and you start getting beat even worse then go back to orthodox
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Yeh i know what you mean about being as good with both. I thought the same thing when i was younger and sure you can probably get close if your dedicated but if your splitting your training volume down the middle for each one so you train each side 50/50, chances are you will lack that last bit of quality that makes a very good fighter a great fighter. And you cant just decide to double the amount of rounds you do to train both sides because that will also be counterproductive.

See how close fights are at the highest levels and even 5% extra quality can make a difference in the outcome at times. Alot of boxers who i have followed who said they train some southpaw and then tell people they will switch up in the fight and fight that way for a bit quickly go back to orthodox when they start getting whooped on. Floyd was one of the only guys i saw in more recent times that could be kicking a guys arse (shamba mitchell) and then switch to southpaw for a bit and still kick his arse. But mitchell wasent anywhere on his level.

And yeh you will notice you do things from southpaw better. Thats what I meant when I said sometimes you can analyze why your rear hook is better from that stance and then try and improve the quality of the one from your other stance. You will probably start to notice other things you do better as you get your right side trained up more to match your left side.

When to switch up would depend on who your fighting I guess. Some people i know dont seem bothered by a guy switching stances. They know how to fight southpaws as easily as orthodox. I guess it would just depend on which side you have the most success against them with. I never really got the whole idea of switching the stance repeatedly to confuse someone. I wouldnt be confused as it just means your either fighting someone in orthodox or southpaw and you change your techniques to suit. Southpaw vs orthodox fights are usally more 1 dimentional. The fights are not as dynamic as a same stance fight.

Anyway its all worth experimenting with. You can learn alot just by giving it a go.
All in all i guess you're right. Everything you said made alot of good sense but the "your young and try to experiment" made me think that yes, i take my age for granted and think i can do it all. I will just stick to orthodox as its better that way, just like you said that 5% extra quality can be the decision maker (and 5% is alot). I just found it really interesting simply because i hear alot of 'Orthodox finding difficulty with southpaw' discussion and thought it might aid me, but yet again that doesn't mean an orthodox doesn't find difficulty with another orthodox either. Thanks alot for the reply champ

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If your getting beat on or having no success and your good at southpaw then its definatly worth trying. Some guys will have trouble then. But if you change to southpaw and you start getting beat even worse then go back to orthodox
I guess it depends on the other fighter, i will definitely try it out in a fight which i think it would work.
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