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Old 05-08-2012, 10:17 AM   #1
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Default Sweet Science at it's best.....

Floyd and Cotto demonstrated what two hungry, savvy, strong and experienced boxers can formulate in the squared ring.

Here are some impressive examples of what I witnessed...please add on. It was our version of Jordan vs Bird...LMAO

1. Floyds usually deadly straight and accurate right turned into more of a looping right because Cotto seem to catch a good amount on his gloves. The adjustment helped Floyd find a home for his right hand leads.
2. Cotto used right hand fients to the body in the attempt to catch Floyd with left hooks, he actually caught Floyd with a leaping left hook executed right after a right feint.
3. Floyds uppercuts where being blocked by Cotto's forearm in the middle of the ring.. Floyd attacked with the uppercut while in the pocket on the ropes as Cotto worked the body it was the perfect opportunity.
4. Whenever Floyd attempted to apply pressure he was forced back with stinging jabs coming from Cotto in the center of the ring. Cotto was able to cut off the ring on a consistant basis.

I have much more but I'd like to read what you "hardcore" fight fans noticed.
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Old 05-08-2012, 10:24 AM   #2
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Some observations on the dynamics of the fight:

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I was really impressed with Mayweather in this fight. The way that he was looping his right hand around Cotto’s high guard was really smart, and he was able to do it from early on. He was consistently throwing hard shots throughout the fight, and his guard (what I think is his most valuable asset) saved him from a lot of punches. Floyd’s movement was also on point; along the perimeter of the ring, he was turning both left and right very effectively. He gave Cotto a lot of looks to avoid him from coming in easily like a bull.

Cotto outperformed my expectations on the inside. While he did use a lateral gameplan in spots against Floyd, he only really worked defensively for small parts of the fight, and was a relentless pressure fighter for most of it. Spinning out and muscling Floyd towards the ropes was also a vestige of the Margarito fight that I thought was a valuable asset; he controlled the center for long stretches. I thought it was interesting that around the 4th, he called the bluff of Mayweather’s pull counter and popped out a hard jab before he was able to dodge it. He also ducked under a good amount of lead and counter rights; he was prepared for it. Also, in the 6th, he instinctively turned southpaw, and caught Floyd with a big straight left. While Floyd hurt him with an uppercut in the 12th and caught him with it a few times before, he positioned his body and hands in a way that he wasn’t constantly getting popped by them despite fighting out of pressure-fighting stance. I also thought that his body punching was largely being overlooked by the commentators; jabs to the body, and combinations of right hook downstairs and right hand upstairs were real effective. I thought the crowd was also overreacting to combinations that were landing on Cotto's gloves. That jab on the inside was also interesting; it kept Floyd at bay as he muscled him into the corner. His whole game when shoulder to shoulder was craftier than I thought he’d be willing to pull off. Though i was surprised that in the first 4, Cotto was boxing quite evenly with Mayweather with patience.
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Cotto cut off the ring really good...That immediatly caught my eye...Great performance by both.
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What does that say about Diaz as a trainer since he should get some credit in getting Cotto back to form ..
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Old 05-08-2012, 10:42 AM   #5
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Beat me to it I see!!

Well great minds think alike....my version is can be considered less formal and less comprehensive yet more welcoming.
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Old 05-08-2012, 10:46 AM   #6
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What does that say about Diaz as a trainer since he should get some credit in getting Cotto back to form ..
There's no doubt Diaz is a student and a professor of the game though I didn't hear much strategy being preached during the creamy filling of the fight rounds 6,7 and 8. It was clear to me Cotto needed to implement one more wrinkle. I'm sure Cotto will stick with him and other PR fighters will stop by the gym they built to see if he can improve there boxing/chess ability.
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What does that say about Diaz as a trainer since he should get some credit in getting Cotto back to form ..
I think it shows how Cotto and Diaz are a perfect fit. This was only their second fight together and it was against the best fighter of this generation.

Cotto put up a fantastic effort and I was amazed at how easily he cut off the ring on Floyd. That is something Cotto is a master of, cutting off the ring. His footwork has improved a lot as well and his defense was actually quite impressive. Has there been anybody else that has held Floyd to a high 20% connect rate? For Floyd, that seems almost unheard of.

I hope Cotto does not get set back by this loss. He did great and if he keeps up that hunger and determination, he can only get sharper.
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Old 05-08-2012, 10:51 AM   #8
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There's no doubt Diaz is a student and a professor of the game though I didn't hear much strategy being preached during the creamy filling of the fight rounds 6,7 and 8. It was clear to me Cotto needed to implement one more wrinkle. I'm sure Cotto will stick with him and other PR fighters will stop by the gym they built to see if he can improve there boxing/chess ability.
His foot work look much better than previous fights ..His defense needs the most tweeking imo ..But yes excellent performances by both guys ..
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His foot work look much better than previous fights ..His defense needs the most tweeking imo ..But yes excellent performances by both guys ..

Agreed, while I understand the idea was not to avoid every right hand it doesnt help to catch all the punches on the gloves and even worse the top of the head and ear.
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Agreed, while I understand the idea was not to avoid every right hand it doesnt help to catch all the punches on the gloves and even worse the top of the head and ear.

Im telling you that shit is hard .. I was impressed though that Cotto actually had Floyd missing punches ane he's a very accurate puncher ..
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I was really impressed with Mayweather in this fight. The way that he was looping his right hand around Cotto’s high guard was really smart, and he was able to do it from early on. He was consistently throwing hard shots throughout the fight, and his guard (what I think is his most valuable asset) saved him from a lot of punches. Floyd’s movement was also on point; along the perimeter of the ring, he was turning both left and right very effectively. He gave Cotto a lot of looks to avoid him from coming in easily like a bull.

Cotto outperformed my expectations on the inside. While he did use a lateral gameplan in spots against Floyd, he only really worked defensively for small parts of the fight, and was a relentless pressure fighter for most of it. Spinning out and muscling Floyd towards the ropes was also a vestige of the Margarito fight that I thought was a valuable asset; he controlled the center for long stretches. I thought it was interesting that around the 4th, he called the bluff of Mayweather’s pull counter and popped out a hard jab before he was able to dodge it. He also ducked under a good amount of lead and counter rights; he was prepared for it. Also, in the 6th, he instinctively turned southpaw, and caught Floyd with a big straight left. While Floyd hurt him with an uppercut in the 12th and caught him with it a few times before, he positioned his body and hands in a way that he wasn’t constantly getting popped by them despite fighting out of pressure-fighting stance. I also thought that his body punching was largely being overlooked by the commentators; jabs to the body, and combinations of right hook downstairs and right hand upstairs were real effective. I thought the crowd was also overreacting to combinations that were landing on Cotto's gloves. That jab on the inside was also interesting; it kept Floyd at bay as he muscled him into the corner. His whole game when shoulder to shoulder was craftier than I thought he’d be willing to pull off. Though i was surprised that in the first 4, Cotto was boxing quite evenly with Mayweather with patience.
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This. I was impressed by Cotto's boxing ability and adaptability in the fight. He outboxed Mayweather in the six round with a jab that is clearly one of the best in boxing right now. He boxed and he pressured Mayweather very intelligently whilst keeping his hands up and not negating defence like Hatton did. He also mixed up some excellent feinting in there to land to the head more than we are used to seeing Mayweather getting hit by shots to the head. His right hook to the body was also a vicious shot. It was only because it was Mayweather that he lost the fight. Any other boxer would have been flat out destroyed by Cotto the other night. Completely destroyed. As for Floyd well, his defence was outstanding as usual and he used his uppercut and looping right well - an excellent adaptation. He also threw some nice combinations that we haven't seen so much in a while, especially a left uppercut which we haven't seen as much of before. Overall a very high quality, highly competitive, highly skilled fight between to elite, future hall of fame fighters. We need more fights like that.
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Old 05-08-2012, 11:23 AM   #12
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This. I was impressed by Cotto's boxing ability and adaptability in the fight. He outboxed Mayweather in the six round with a jab that is clearly one of the best in boxing right now. He boxed and he pressured Mayweather very intelligently whilst keeping his hands up and not negating defence like Hatton did. He also mixed up some excellent feinting in there to land to the head more than we are used to seeing Mayweather getting hit by shots to the head. His right hook to the body was also a vicious shot. It was only because it was Mayweather that he lost the fight. Any other boxer would have been flat out destroyed by Cotto the other night. Completely destroyed. As for Floyd well, his defence was outstanding as usual and he used his uppercut and looping right well - an excellent adaptation. He also threw some nice combinations that we haven't seen so much in a while, especially a left uppercut which we haven't seen as much of before. Overall a very high quality, highly competitive, highly skilled fight between to elite, future hall of fame fighters. We need more fights like that.
As stated the fight was Sweet Science at its best. This fight will be truly under appreciated and only those who respect the dynamic created on saturday will truly enjoy what these men gave us.
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