Could Manny Pacqauio have beaten Miguel Cotto at Jr. Middleweight

Normen Bates · 05-11-2012, 05:49 AM

Miguel Cotto as of recently has rejuvenated his career in some regards and with Pedro Diaz working his corner he's far from the fighter he was when he faced Manny Pacquaio in 2009.

Spiritually, I think Cotto was in a different place then considering he fighting at a Catch-weight, his corner was highly inexperienced, and he was coming off an extremely grueling battle with Jousha Clottey.

Not to make excuses; However, in a four fight stretch (Margartio, Jennings, Clottey, and Pacquaio) you can ague Cotto was 1-3 winning the return bout with Jennings, but barely scraping passed Clottey in a close fight.

Nonetheless, Cotto at Jr. Middleweight has showed advancement, better trainer, more physical, better strategic advice.

Does the version of Manny Pacquaio who fought Antonio Margarito at 150bs that got busted up and hurt a few times beat Miguel Cotto at 154lbs without a catch-weight.

MrOliverKlozoff · 05-11-2012, 05:51 AM

Blah blah blah blah.

Fighting Pride · 05-11-2012, 05:55 AM

I can only laugh at how some people so easily eat up Mayweather's nonsense. Search back on some threads on Cotto-Pac II from late last year/early this year and you'll see almost everyone claiming there was no point to it and Pac would whoop him at any weight.

Arcane · 05-11-2012, 06:05 AM

No, Pacquiao has never beaten anyone at the actual 154lb limit but let's say a 2nd fight took place between them in 6 months and Pacquiao was able to bring Cotto down to 149lb from his current 154lb weight then i'd give him a chance of his repeating his TKO win.

Uncle Rico · 05-11-2012, 06:13 AM

Yes. All about styles. Size and power doesn't trouble Pacquiao. Speed, elusiveness and counterpunching does. There's nothing that suggests Cotto, at 154 (or any other weight), would be any better in these departments. He'll still be susceptible to Pacquiao's speed, power, volume and angles.

MAG1965 · 05-11-2012, 06:15 AM

yeah he would have beaten Cotto up at most weights. Manny and Miguel look very similar in size in a way. Manny is just greater than Cotto. Cotto is right below the Mayweather, Pacman level and above the Zab Judah level. It is a small little area he is in. Virgil Hill is in that area too. Where they cannot match the elites, but they are better than most champions.

Fighting Pride · 05-11-2012, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Arcane

No, Pacquiao has never beaten anyone at the actual 154lb limit but let's say a 2nd fight took place between them in 6 months and Pacquiao was able to bring Cotto down to 149lb from his current 154lb weight then i'd give him a chance of his repeating his TKO win.

Cotto demanded a 150 CW vs Margo, and Manny Steward said he weighs 151 weeks before his fights at JMW and has to eat up to the limit. Let's not pretend he's suddenly not a blown up welter just because Mayweather struggled with the only elite fighter he fought in a log while that wasn't really old or shot.

MoJoGoodie · 05-11-2012, 06:17 AM

Cotto would still get mopped up

boxbox · 05-11-2012, 06:24 AM

DEJA VU.... i think the answer doesnt change

Nonito Smoak · 05-11-2012, 06:25 AM

I would pick the Cotto from 5/5/12 against whatever the full junior middleweight Pacquiao would show up as of 2011 and since.

Richel Hersisia · 05-11-2012, 06:27 AM

There is a reason why Pac didn't want to fight Cotto at 144 and not 147... I'm pretty sure that a 154 Cotto would beat Pacquiao.

Primenal · 05-11-2012, 06:34 AM

LOL... Pac beat Cotto at 145, he'd beat him at 147, he'd beat him at 154, he'd beat him at 190.
Cotto isn't that big. Pac destroyed Margarito at 150, and Margarito outweighed him by 20 pounds come fight night. Cotto isn't as big as Margarito, and he doesn't have the chin that Margarito has either.
Cotto is a good fighter as well, but most definitely not GREAT.

boxbox · 05-11-2012, 06:35 AM

Pac would've beaten Cotto from anywhere between 112 - 147... Cotto is slower at 154

king khan · 05-11-2012, 06:37 AM

No. . . Norman, go back to Yahoo questions, and answers. . . Those are people with your same knowledge base. .

We try to keep the flomos, and pactards at a minimum around these parts.

AnthonyW · 05-11-2012, 06:38 AM

Cotto would definitely do better in a rematch IMO. He would know not to fall in to the Pacquiao is a smaller than you scenario with Pacquiao. He would be more patient, and his improved lateral movement could cause Pacquiao a few problems...aswell as his improved right hand.

However, Pacquiao's speed and angles wins this bout for him 9 times out of 10 IMO.

Cotto would last the 12, deal out, and receive slightly less punishment IMO, but still lose a wide decision.

05-11-2012, 05:49 AM	#1
Normen Bates Journeyman ESB Jr Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 164 vCash: 500	Could Manny Pacqauio have beaten Miguel Cotto at Jr. Middleweight Miguel Cotto as of recently has rejuvenated his career in some regards and with Pedro Diaz working his corner he's far from the fighter he was when he faced Manny Pacquaio in 2009. Spiritually, I think Cotto was in a different place then considering he fighting at a Catch-weight, his corner was highly inexperienced, and he was coming off an extremely grueling battle with Jousha Clottey. Not to make excuses; However, in a four fight stretch (Margartio, Jennings, Clottey, and Pacquaio) you can ague Cotto was 1-3 winning the return bout with Jennings, but barely scraping passed Clottey in a close fight. Nonetheless, Cotto at Jr. Middleweight has showed advancement, better trainer, more physical, better strategic advice. Does the version of Manny Pacquaio who fought Antonio Margarito at 150bs that got busted up and hurt a few times beat Miguel Cotto at 154lbs without a catch-weight.
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05-11-2012, 05:51 AM	#2
MrOliverKlozoff The guy in shades ESB Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Don't switch the blaaaaaaaade on me, BFE Posts: 745 vCash: 75	Re: Could Manny Pacqauio have beaten Miguel Cotto at Jr. Middleweight Blah blah blah blah.
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Fighting Pride Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 2,270 vCash: 1000	Re: Could Manny Pacqauio have beaten Miguel Cotto at Jr. Middleweight I can only laugh at how some people so easily eat up Mayweather's nonsense. Search back on some threads on Cotto-Pac II from late last year/early this year and you'll see almost everyone claiming there was no point to it and Pac would whoop him at any weight.
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05-11-2012, 06:05 AM	#4
Arcane One More Time East Side Guru Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 7,638 vCash: 357	Re: Could Manny Pacqauio have beaten Miguel Cotto at Jr. Middleweight No, Pacquiao has never beaten anyone at the actual 154lb limit but let's say a 2nd fight took place between them in 6 months and Pacquiao was able to bring Cotto down to 149lb from his current 154lb weight then i'd give him a chance of his repeating his TKO win.
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Uncle Rico P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 19,869 vCash: 75	Re: Could Manny Pacqauio have beaten Miguel Cotto at Jr. Middleweight Yes. All about styles. Size and power doesn't trouble Pacquiao. Speed, elusiveness and counterpunching does. There's nothing that suggests Cotto, at 154 (or any other weight), would be any better in these departments. He'll still be susceptible to Pacquiao's speed, power, volume and angles.
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MAG1965 P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Dallas,Texas. Posts: 17,400 vCash: 1010	Re: Could Manny Pacqauio have beaten Miguel Cotto at Jr. Middleweight yeah he would have beaten Cotto up at most weights. Manny and Miguel look very similar in size in a way. Manny is just greater than Cotto. Cotto is right below the Mayweather, Pacman level and above the Zab Judah level. It is a small little area he is in. Virgil Hill is in that area too. Where they cannot match the elites, but they are better than most champions.
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MoJoGoodie Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 1,014 vCash: 75	Re: Could Manny Pacqauio have beaten Miguel Cotto at Jr. Middleweight Cotto would still get mopped up
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boxbox Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 5,114 vCash: 1000	Re: Could Manny Pacqauio have beaten Miguel Cotto at Jr. Middleweight DEJA VU.... i think the answer doesnt change
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Nonito Smoak Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Washington State, USA Posts: 9,522 vCash: 0	Re: Could Manny Pacqauio have beaten Miguel Cotto at Jr. Middleweight I would pick the Cotto from 5/5/12 against whatever the full junior middleweight Pacquiao would show up as of 2011 and since.
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Richel Hersisia Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,027 vCash: 1360	Re: Could Manny Pacqauio have beaten Miguel Cotto at Jr. Middleweight There is a reason why Pac didn't want to fight Cotto at 144 and not 147... I'm pretty sure that a 154 Cotto would beat Pacquiao.
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05-11-2012, 06:34 AM	#12
Primenal Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,956 vCash: 1000	Re: Could Manny Pacqauio have beaten Miguel Cotto at Jr. Middleweight LOL... Pac beat Cotto at 145, he'd beat him at 147, he'd beat him at 154, he'd beat him at 190. Cotto isn't that big. Pac destroyed Margarito at 150, and Margarito outweighed him by 20 pounds come fight night. Cotto isn't as big as Margarito, and he doesn't have the chin that Margarito has either. Cotto is a good fighter as well, but most definitely not GREAT.
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boxbox Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 5,114 vCash: 1000	Re: Could Manny Pacqauio have beaten Miguel Cotto at Jr. Middleweight Pac would've beaten Cotto from anywhere between 112 - 147... Cotto is slower at 154
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king khan Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 5,371 vCash: 185	Re: Could Manny Pacqauio have beaten Miguel Cotto at Jr. Middleweight No. . . Norman, go back to Yahoo questions, and answers. . . Those are people with your same knowledge base. . We try to keep the flomos, and pactards at a minimum around these parts.
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05-11-2012, 06:38 AM	#15
AnthonyW ESB Official Gif Poster ESB Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,369 vCash: 920	Re: Could Manny Pacqauio have beaten Miguel Cotto at Jr. Middleweight Cotto would definitely do better in a rematch IMO. He would know not to fall in to the Pacquiao is a smaller than you scenario with Pacquiao. He would be more patient, and his improved lateral movement could cause Pacquiao a few problems...aswell as his improved right hand. However, Pacquiao's speed and angles wins this bout for him 9 times out of 10 IMO. Cotto would last the 12, deal out, and receive slightly less punishment IMO, but still lose a wide decision.
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