Haye and Chisora each fought the wrong Klitschko

[moneypaysbills]

This is something that I've been pondering since the Haye-Chisora fight was announced. It's pretty obvious when you weigh up the facts, and noone but the supreme Klitschko nuthuggers (CHEF, Vladimir93) can refute with any actual conviction. To look at it objectively we can break down why Haye-Vitali and Chisora-Wlad would be better matchups. I'm not saying they'd win, but they both would have had a better chance of glory, also as we all know the Klitschko's love to pick up fighters that the other sibling has already fought, so even though these two aren't bums, they could still follow their past patterns.

Haye-Vitali

This one is quite obvious, Vitali has two losses in his career, both were to slick black G's, but Haye would only be able to emulate one of these. There will be no TKO6, but haye could certainly make Vitali miss and make him quit. We've seen Chrs Byrd do it, and Haye has the same movement, and the same skill. Vitali has a granite chin, so Chisora's power was ineffective, but with Haye able to make him miss he could attack vitali's weak spot, his heart.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQJN4QmVT5E[/ame]



Exhibit one speaks for itself, and gives credence to the fact that they rematch each others fights, hence Wlad-Byrd

Wlad-Chisora

This one is also pretty obvious, we all know that Wlad has a shaky chin, CHEF will tell you, Vitali will tell and Stevie Wonder will tell you. Therefore, with Chisora's good chin as proven by some of the Vitali shots that landed, his power and his swarming style. He is always going to have much more joy with Wlad. Put simply Wlad doesn't like pressure, if an in shape Chisora turns up then he could give Wlad some real trouble, and maybe get himself a KO.

Exhibit 2

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqEANlBbhsA[/ame]



His style won't win him a UD over such a technically accomplished fighter, but the Klitschko's are like Barcelona, you don't beat them by matching style and boxing perfectly, unless you're Lennox Lewis which Haye and Chisora most certainly aren't. You beat them by exploiting their few but still exisitng weaknesses.

Also none of that he was green bollocks, it was only his 38th fight against a man he assumed would be a walkover.


So there you go that's my argument, I'm not saying wither would win or lose, but that they both would've had more joy if the fights had been reversed. Who knows if whoever wins beats Povetkin, we may see one of these fights happen.

[Ahurath]

Still his loss against Byrd was what 12 YEARS ago? It's ridicolous to bring something THAT old and think that has anything to do with the present Vitali.

And who are you to question his heart? He is a professional fighter wich had a horrific injury to his eye wich would potentially injury him for the rest of his career and STILL wanted to continue if that isn't heart I don't know what is.

Get out of here.

[moneypaysbills]

No, he didn't even object to the doctor putting stitches in against Lewis, that's called quitting by proxy. Furthermore, I didn't mention his heart in the Lewis fight, just the Byrd fight. Also when his boxing career spans 16 years, with lots of it filled with bums, you have to mention the highlight fights, regardless of time it happened. Look at the coverage the Lewis fight still gets today

[damian38]

it's amazing how some people try to make Haye more than he really is at the cost of a a fighter who's never been behind in a fight, who's never been floored, and dominated every single opponent he has ever faced

[Jack]

The Klitschko brothers are selective about their opposition. It's rare one fights an opponent who would be easier for the other brother.

Ask yourself this: Who is Povetkin always linked with? Who was Valuev always linked with? Is it a mere coincidence nobody ever talks about Vitali/Povetkin or Wlad/Valuev?

[moneypaysbills]

Originally Posted by damian38

it's amazing how some people try to make Haye more than he really is at the cost of a a fighter who's never been behind in a fight, who's never been floored, and dominated every single opponent he has ever faced

So you, believe that Haye has a better chance against Wlad rather than Vitali, because that is what is being put up for debate rather than "Haye beats Vitali" I mentioned several times that I did put either fighter ahead of either klitschko in these propesed fights, please read the full article before commentating

[locard]

Haye could possibly win a decission right now against old Vitali because of the sheer difference in speed, 50/50 fight

But Chisora has no chance to beat Wlad, assuming Wlad doesn't suffer a shoulder injury during the fight like Vitali did, he'll jab Chisora's head from pillar to post and there's nothing Delboy can do about it, he doesn't have Haye's speed or skill to slip them, and his swarmer style ain't particularly dangerous since his power ain't nothing to write home about. Wlad UD or late stoppage. and perhaps i'm giving too much credit to Chisora's chin, it hasn't been tested against a puncher of Wlad's caliber yet.

and lol at Lennox being ¨slick and black¨, he was as slick as a statue

[moneypaysbills]

Originally Posted by Jack

The Klitschko brothers are selective about their opposition. It's rare one fights an opponent who would be easier for the other brother.

Ask yourself this: Who is Povetkin always linked with? Who was Valuev always linked with? Is it a mere coincidence nobody ever talks about Vitali/Povetkin or Wlad/Valuev?

Neither of them wanted a piece of SNV because he was bigger than them. They'd learnt what happens when they fight someone with a longer reach thanks to Lewis

[Montero]

Wlad stops Chisora in violent fashion, same for Haye if he actually fought like a man.
Haye's style could have some success against Vitali, but the big man would still win.

[Montero]

Originally Posted by Jack

Ask yourself this: Who is Povetkin always linked with? Who was Valuev always linked with? Is it a mere coincidence nobody ever talks about Vitali/Povetkin or Wlad/Valuev?

Povetkin was Wlad's mandatory, that's why he was linked to Wlad.

Valuev has been offered fights from both Klitschko's. In fact Wlad offered Valuev the same deal he offered Chagaev when Haye bitched out of their fight for the first (or wad it second or third?) time.

Wlad KO's Valuev and Povetkin. Vitali decisions them both.

[moneypaysbills]

You'd all have probably said the same thing about a semi-pro golfer, who took the fight on short notice, that Wlad will smack him around. Upsets can happen and I believe Chisora has been sold short by his stupid antics post Vitali fight and before it...

[Ahurath]

Originally Posted by moneypaysbills

No, he didn't even object to the doctor putting stitches in against Lewis, that's called quitting by proxy. Furthermore, I didn't mention his heart in the Lewis fight, just the Byrd fight. Also when his boxing career spans 16 years, with lots of it filled with bums, you have to mention the highlight fights, regardless of time it happened. Look at the coverage the Lewis fight still gets today

Yeah and I'm saying that you can't hold a fighter acountable of a fight that happend over a decade ago. Clearly he has showed his heart time and time again every time he steps in to the ring.

Yes but people who hasn't got over the fight between Vitali and Lennox are sad people that like to dwell in the past. History doesn't deal with what ifs.

[Cafe]

I know, probably coincidential though, I agree with you and always thought this way. Chisora would give problems to Wlad, Haye would give problems to (current, wouldn't give any problems to prime) Vitali.

[moneypaysbills]

First of all, he can be held accountable he was there, he was a full grown man and a pretty smart one. He knew the consequences of his actions and what he was doing.

Also History doesn't deal with what ifs, but there are many people who enjoy discussing and debating alternate history. Places like Forums where people hold discussions, to give a blanket statement such as it's sad to dwell on old fights is just stupid. If we only discussed the current HW division it would be boring as hell and there wouldn't be too much value in these forums

[moneypaysbills]

Originally Posted by Cafe

I know, probably coincidential though, I agree with you and always thought this way. Chisora would give problems to Wlad, Haye would give problems to (current, wouldn't give any problems to prime) Vitali.

That's a fair point, I would definitely back prime Vitali but we're looking at today's Vitali as in the one Chisora fought, so it's fair to say the Hayemaker would give him problems