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Old 05-18-2012, 08:39 AM   #1
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Default Is Khan's inability to counterpunch due to his chin, physiological or lack of ability

I was wondering this during parts of the Peterson fight and against Maidana - for example, when his opponent throws a lazy jab, why doesn't Khan counter with the left hook ala Walcott or a pullback counter right ala Ali against Liston or Money May against Oscar? I know his nuthuggers will say that he can beat most fighters with speed blah blah yawn, but you need to have more than one string to your bow to adjust during a fight. Could learning some counterpunching techniques and some infighting do him wonders? Why hasn't Freddie taught him these techniques?Discuss
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Old 05-18-2012, 08:58 AM   #2
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He came up against boxers who were far too small for him, didn't press the fight and sat at the end of his jab. It's all he knows. His speed is a gift and a curse, because it's often been enough, he hasn't learnt much else.
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Old 05-18-2012, 09:01 AM   #3
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He came up against boxers who were far too small for him, didn't press the fight and sat at the end of his jab. It's all he knows. His speed is a gift and a curse, because it's often been enough, he hasn't learnt much else.
I agree.
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Old 05-18-2012, 09:49 AM   #4
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Default Re: Is Khan's inability to counterpunch due to his chin, physiological or lack of abi

Because he isn't skilled enough to do that. Khan has speed, which isn't a skill.

He has been exposed as a really flawed fighter
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Old 05-18-2012, 09:51 AM   #5
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Because he isn't skilled enough to do that. Khan has speed, which isn't a skill.

He has been exposed as a really flawed fighter
Check the same thread on the general forum.
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Old 05-18-2012, 09:55 AM   #6
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Default Re: Is Khan's inability to counterpunch due to his chin, physiological or lack of abi

Wouldn't put it down to his chin that's for sure. David Haye and JMM don't have great chins but are predominantly counter punchers.
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Old 05-18-2012, 10:09 AM   #7
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I was wondering this during parts of the Peterson fight and against Maidana - for example, when his opponent throws a lazy jab, why doesn't Khan counter with the left hook ala Walcott or a pullback counter right ala Ali against Liston or Money May against Oscar? I know his nuthuggers will say that he can beat most fighters with speed blah blah yawn, but you need to have more than one string to your bow to adjust during a fight. Could learning some counterpunching techniques and some infighting do him wonders? Why hasn't Freddie taught him these techniques?Discuss
Why not ask Freddie? Im sure he knows better though and is utilising Khan existing skills and speed!

Not many boxers have all the attributes only the most gifted/talented ones and Khans got enough to trouble most of them.
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Old 05-18-2012, 10:42 AM   #8
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Wouldn't put it down to his chin that's for sure. David Haye and JMM don't have great chins but are predominantly counter punchers.

Depends what you count 'chin' as.

He goes down a lot but has fantastic powers of recovery as well as a great survival instinct, as opposed to say Bruno who wouldnt go down but would stagger around the ring like a extra on 28 days later.

I think JMM has a good chin.
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Old 05-18-2012, 12:17 PM   #9
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Depends what you count 'chin' as.

He goes down a lot but has fantastic powers of recovery as well as a great survival instinct, as opposed to say Bruno who wouldnt go down but would stagger around the ring like a extra on 28 days later.

I think JMM has a good chin.
Khan hasn't been on the floor since 2008
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Old 05-18-2012, 03:19 PM   #10
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Default Re: Is Khan's inability to counterpunch due to his chin, physiological or lack of abi

I'd say all three, personally.

He's worried about getting clipped, and isn't smart enough to start trying to draw leads and counter. Unless you consider being hit hard and then trying to hit the opponent back ''countering''.

Marquez is completely different, and has faced a greater armoury of offensive fighters - he's fought cagey counter punchers, aggressive ones, pressure fighters, hook happy sluggers and Pacquiao, who's a style of his own.

The main difference is the ability to adjust and win the fights, Marquez can usually find the punches to get the job done, against Katsidis and Diaz it was uppercuts, against Pac it's the feint with the left hook and the short right over the relaxed guard.

Khan's only plan is to run or try bang his way out of trouble, which seldom works at the top level unless the opponent is glass jawed or your name is Nigel Benn.
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Old 05-18-2012, 03:26 PM   #11
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roach is a better offensive coach, add that to a dodgy chin and the best option is to tuck up on the ropes or run like ****
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Old 05-18-2012, 03:27 PM   #12
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It's very simple - he doesn't have the calm state of mind he'd need to react in the moment. He's happier leading.
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Old 05-18-2012, 04:09 PM   #13
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Default Re: Is Khan's inability to counterpunch due to his chin, physiological or lack of abi

Technically deficient. Simple as that. Counterpunching is something you learn through application in the gym. Same reason his foot movement is erratic, he can't fight on the inside and doesn't move at the waist. All the same thing, arising from one dimensional coaching at times in this country since a lot of guys suffer it.
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Old 05-18-2012, 07:30 PM   #14
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Why give up his advantage in speed and length.
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Old 05-18-2012, 07:54 PM   #15
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Technically deficient. Simple as that. Counterpunching is something you learn through application in the gym. Same reason his foot movement is erratic, he can't fight on the inside and doesn't move at the waist. All the same thing, arising from one dimensional coaching at times in this country since a lot of guys suffer it.
Good post.
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