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Old 05-23-2012, 10:34 PM   #16
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Athletes need to make sure what they put in their body is not contaminated. There are products on the market that have a seal of approval for athletes.

Here is one brand I saw not to long ago that advertises they are clean.

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On their site it reads:

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Now as far as the Testers, I do think they should be careful to release results before they go over everything and allow the fighter to explain himself and look for an explanation. Its not as easy as Pass/Fail. Especially when your tests pick up even a spec of "foreign substance" that could have been contamination.

Fighters should also be given an Adviser by the Testers to go over everything...which includes possible "legal" means of failing. Like it was talked about chemicals/hormones in food that "may" set it off as well as other things.


If I was a clean athlete, I have to admit, I might be a bit paranoid of everything I digest...who is around my food, what's in my food, etc...even being clean because if you fail, you are screwed.
Good info, thanks. Of course you have guys like Peterson that claim neither he or his coach knew that testosterone was a banned substance, they might not know about these.
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Old 05-23-2012, 10:38 PM   #17
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Good info, thanks. Of course you have guys like Peterson that claim neither he or his coach knew that testosterone was a banned substance, they might not know about these.
Yeah. Even if they are using the "Medical" excuse/reason as to why they didn't know it would be "illegal" considering it was from a "Doctor" for "treatment,"....if an adviser is provided, he would have let them know ALL use of so-and-so substances must be either cleared by the Testers/Commission or not used at all because they are considered PEDs/Banned Substances.

This is also why I do think Athletes should be willing to allow Medical records to be open to them while being an "Active" athlete...unless they just want to say they know what the deal is and whatever is in their samples is what it is.
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Old 05-24-2012, 04:55 AM   #18
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Americans what did Teddy Atlas say about these steroid guys gettin caught?
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Old 05-24-2012, 08:18 AM   #19
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Americans what did Teddy Atlas say about these steroid guys gettin caught?
I don't think he said anything. Only one guy got caught cheating though, and that was Peterson.
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Old 05-24-2012, 08:37 AM   #20
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Any positive test probably makes boxers and promoters more hesitant to use VADA or USADA. I would note however the amount of nandrolone Berto tested positive for would have also resulted in a positive test with USADA testing. Additionally, it was Golden Boy's decision to immediately cancel the fight, not VADA's. I fail to see what the actual bug was here or where they committed any errors.
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Old 05-24-2012, 08:41 AM   #21
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if the tests are busting innocent guys hurting their careers and reputation than thats bad

but if it busts cheaters thats good

to be honest guys have been doing it for years and they will continue to try
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Old 05-24-2012, 09:49 AM   #22
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Any positive test probably makes boxers and promoters more hesitant to use VADA or USADA. I would note however the amount of nandrolone Berto tested positive for would have also resulted in a positive test with USADA testing. Additionally, it was Golden Boy's decision to immediately cancel the fight, not VADA's. I fail to see what the actual bug was here or where they committed any errors.
I agree, it isn't VADA who quickly cancelled the fight, it is Golden Boy and Team Ortiz. They stopped the fight without waiting to see if Berto was actually cheating or if it was the result of contamination and etc.
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This testing nonsense will die when fighters/promoters/networks start to feel that cancelled fight is bad business no matter who pisses the +.
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Old 05-24-2012, 10:16 AM   #24
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This testing nonsense will die when fighters/promoters/networks start to feel that cancelled fight is bad business no matter who pisses the +.
They need to organize the testing better and bring in, alternative fighters who the public wants to see in the event of a positive test.
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Old 05-24-2012, 10:44 AM   #25
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They need to organize the testing better and bring in, alternative fighters who the public wants to see in the event of a positive test.
Even the states could institute testing due at contract signing without much trouble. They could take urine samples and randomly test those. I think guys knowing that they would be sampled, tested or not, adds another deterrent without rising costs much.
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Reactions for first positive weed case before a big event will be interesting.

Soon after that another second hand stoner gets to hundreds of peoples wallets.
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They need to organize the testing better and bring in, alternative fighters who the public wants to see in the event of a positive test.
UFC could go to full testing so easily compared to boxing. They won't, because it's still unproductive.
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Old 05-24-2012, 01:38 PM   #28
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Berto's case is an epic failure for VADA and GBP. If Peterson's dubious story turns out to be legitimate, it should be the nail in the coffin.
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Old 05-24-2012, 02:26 PM   #29
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Berto's case is an epic failure for VADA and GBP. If Peterson's dubious story turns out to be legitimate, it should be the nail in the coffin.
How is Berto's case a failure? The test worked, the problem was GBP rushing the gun to kick the fight out instead of waiting to see why the test was flagged.

Peterson's story is bullshit and everyone knows it, there is nothing to wait and see about him.
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