Foreman vs Frazier 1

[Goyourownway]

It's entirely possible that Foreman was standing on the scale at the time that stare-down picture was taken.

Originally Posted by Dempsey1238

Wlad gets knock down and gets up every time and the ref stops it(Wlad was never knock out, only stop) and he has a glass jaw.

Frazier gets knock down and gets up every time and he has some iron chin. funny how this world works.

I've pointed this out many times in the past but it usually get's ignored.Worst of all,Wlad doesn't even recieve credit for attempting to get to get back up like Frazier did,either.

[lufcrazy]

Originally Posted by smitty78

I still think FOTC Joe smokes any version of Foreman.

Foreman beats any frazier hundred out of hundred.

[Webbiano]

Originally Posted by lufcrazy

Foreman beats any frazier hundred out of hundred.

It's like your reading my mind

[Lartize]

Frazier starts too slow; he has to start getting a rhythm and timing to a person's punches before he can really start slipping and avoiding shots (shown during FOTC when he is able to stand with his hands down and avoiding Ali's shot).

Foreman starts too strong and is physically stronger then Joe.. so Joe can't force the inside game.. and shown by Foreman just shoving Joe back the few times Joe did get close to him.

((For the Record - I think Wlad has a Chin, I think Tyson has a Chin, I think Foreman has a Chin... their KD's result from lack of gas in the tank.. not lack of beard on the face.))

[lufcrazy]

Originally Posted by Webbiano

It's like your reading my mind

Great minds think alike

[Senor Pepe']

My earlier post,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I was incorrect,,,,,,,,

A more complete photo, with George standing on the scale-base.

[MAG1965]

I think people were shocked he won. Stylistically he had Joe's number.

[Senor Pepe']

Originally Posted by MAG1965

I think people were shocked he won. Stylistically he had Joe's number.

SHOCKED,,,,,,,,was an UNDERSTATEMENT.

Most boxing experts thought that George would be lucky to last as
long as Ron Stander.

Ring Magazine; 'George has built up his record against a bunch of 'softies',
and he has not even beaten one 'toughie', let alone face one.
After the Championship fight Monday night, we are sure we will never
here from George Foreman again. Or maybe, in 4 more years
after another '38' bouts against a second wave of softies.'

Dick Young; 'Oh, this will nothing more than a work-out for the Champion.
As soon as Frazier whips one of those left hooks by Foreman's nose,
the Challenger will smell fear and either crash to the canvas in the
First Round, or not come out for the Second Round. I have my whole
Monday night planned, as there will not be a Third Round.

[fists of fury]

Originally Posted by Dempsey1238

Wlad gets knock down and gets up every time and the ref stops it(Wlad was never knock out, only stop) and he has a glass jaw.

Frazier gets knock down and gets up every time and he has some iron chin. funny how this world works.

Few have claimed Frazier had an iron chin. It was respectable, but far from iron.

[yancey]

Originally Posted by RockysSplitNose

Don't want to start a full scale riot but am I the only person in the world who thought the first knockdown looked a bit wierd - not saying bogus - just have watched it a million times and slowed it down and fall all the world I can't see anything other than Fraziers knee dipping down before the uppercut lands - straight up it it starts to go before the punch lands - I reckon Frazier actually slipped and may have hastened his executioners onslaught in part by making think he had him when he maybe didn't? I don't know I just can't fathom why the leg went before the punch?? Obviously everything else that followed is there for the eye to see but that first one was wierd anyone else see it??

Agree about the first knockdown. It might possibly have been a delayed reaction to an earlier punch, but it was very strange.

The second knockdown from the huge Foreman uppercut was the decider, imo. Not many heavies get up from that one.

[jowcol]

This was right in the middle of my 'boxing jones'.
In retrospect, I think Ali took a major chunk out of Joe after their FOTC.
But, none of us thought the young George would be ready for Joe...stupid us.
The fight was only closed circuit and we decided not to lay down the bucks. No radio either. In the glorious days of great music, we were self-medicating ourselves and playing cards at my friends house. About 10:45 my late friend Mike said: "Why don't you call the newspaper sports line and see how Frazier-Foreman turned out?"
I called and the guy said: "That was Foreman on a 2nd round TKO!"
I hung up the phone and my buds said: "Well?"
"Ahhh, I'm not sure, let me call again." I did, same result and then I told them.
We were totally in shock over the result.
I think many, at the time, felt the same way.

[Senor Pepe']

Many claim that the FOTC took alot out of 'Smokin Joe',,,,,

But the truth,,,,,,,

'Smokin Joe' was already showing signs of 'slippage' in 1970 'gym work-outs'

'Smokin Joe' was in his prime in 1968/1969/1970 - not in 1971 at the FOTC.

After his leg injury (broken right ankle and knee injury) while performing on stage at Caeser's Palace in March 1970
with his 'musical revue' in 1970 - 'Smokin Joe' was never the same.

When hit hard, 'Smokin Joe's' right leg would give out....

[Stevie G]

Originally Posted by smitty78

I still think FOTC Joe smokes any version of Foreman.

I disagree,Smitty. Frazier was simply made for Foreman. Styles maketh the fight and all that. The 1971 Frazier may have put up a better fight against George,but would still be knocked out within five rounds.

[A.J.]

Originally Posted by JWSoats

Frazier was a 3-1 favorite. Most sportswriters picked Frazier to wear him down and stop him in the middle rounds. Some wrote that it would be good experience for Foreman in a future title challenge. Only a few, notably Howard Cosell, said "I'm afraid - that Foreman might kill him." Based on past performances, Frazier was rightfully the favorite. Big, relatively slow-moving men had been his cup of tea. The expectation was that following the Daniels and Stander bouts, Frazier was starting to gear up for the long anticipated rematch with Ali, and Foreman would be the perfect opponent - highly rated, yet still green and made to order for Joe.

I watched Frazier-Foreman I on closed circuit TV at a theatre. Joe Louis picked Foreman to win, saying that Foreman was a "much better puncher" than Frazier, to the shock of the color commentators. The pre-fight staredowns drew huge reactions from the crowd, as did the first knockdown. My first thought was that Joe will get up, get to work, and win. The way he went down from the second knockdown it appeared that he was down for the count. I was hoping that after the minute's rest that he would be recovered, but that was not to be.

Boxing was really turned upside down from this result. Joe Frazier, who had appeared to be the undefeated, invincible champion, was now completely dismissed as washed-up with calls for him to retire. The Ali-Frazier rematch was written off, and even moreso after Ali lost to Norton some two months later. Foreman looked very impressive and imposing in winning the title. Ali was considered a viable threat until he lost to Norton, and Foreman was then genuinely regarded as the best heavy around. After Ali's two bouts with Norton and Foreman's destruction of Norton, Foreman was thought invincible. More than that, it was feared that he might actually kill other fighters in the ring.

Good post. I agree with every word.

Joe WAS favored substantially and the 6-kd beating he took was the worst ever taken by a heavyweight champ. It was an upset for sure. Though George was thought of reasonably highly going in . . . coming out he was thought of as a monster.

[Senor Pepe']

Lasting memory......

Howard Cosell,,,,,,

An 'excited' and brilliant call of the bout,,,,,,with a 'calm' Angelo Dundee by his side.