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Old 05-30-2012, 08:59 AM   #31
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Oh dear.
Burns got beat up, yes, but he was not knock out. Whats so hard to understand about this.
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Old 05-30-2012, 03:38 PM   #32
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Burns got beat up, yes, but he was not knock out. Whats so hard to understand about this.
He was on the verge of being knocked out when the police stopped it.

What's so hard to understand about that?
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Old 05-30-2012, 04:12 PM   #33
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I'm waiting for someone to say Roy Jones, Jr.
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Old 05-30-2012, 04:17 PM   #35
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He was on the verge of being knocked out when the police stopped it.

What's so hard to understand about that?
I think that Burns was about to be knocked out, but can we realy hold it against a man his size being stopped by an ATG heavyweight.

The Pelkey fight is one that particularly persuades me of Burns's durability. Pelkey was a renowned puncher of over 200lbs, in his prime, and a declining Burns slugged it out with him giving as good as he got.
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I'm waiting for someone to say Roy Jones, Jr.
Not a real champion.
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How people see Johansson vs Burns ? :
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Old 05-30-2012, 04:33 PM   #38
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What about Burns vs Fitzsimmons? He was probably every bit as good as him yet Fitzsimmons is portrayed as a H2H monster.
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What about Burns vs Fitzsimmons? He was probably every bit as good as him yet Fitzsimmons is portrayed as a H2H monster.
Fitz would probably have been favoured over Burns by many, if they had fought when Burns was the champion!

If contemporary opinion counts for anything, then Fitz is on a different level.

Basicaly, Burns needed a weak point in the division to become champion in any era, and Fitz didn't.
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Michael Spinks, if you accept him as a HW Champion. He was a slow starter, not a terrific infighter, and there's no question who has superior stamina here, with Tommy's dossier of 20 round performances. (He's not exactly acting fatigued when Jeff declares his first 20 rounder with O'Brien a draw.) Burns displays fine foot speed and mobility in his starching of Squires, and I don't think Michael has the power to take him out (in fact, nobody ever counted ten over Tommy). Whether or not he would defeat Michael can be debated, but I do believe Tommy could be capable of it.
So Spinks can stop a huge man like Cooney, but not a 5'7 midget?

Ok i'm 5'6... but seriously 5'7 is a midget at Lightheavy, let alone at Cruiser or Heavy.
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Michael Spinks, if you accept him as a HW Champion.


He was the champ three years. How could someone not accept that?
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Old 05-30-2012, 05:04 PM   #42
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This thread would've been better if it were, "Who was the last LHW champ Tommy Burns could beat"?
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Not a real champion.
Nor were those that held the color line, imo.
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This thread would've been better if it were, "Who was the last LHW champ Tommy Burns could beat"?
I think we could start a discussion at the last welter champ he could beat.
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I think that Burns was about to be knocked out, but can we realy hold it against a man his size being stopped by an ATG heavyweight.

The Pelkey fight is one that particularly persuades me of Burns's durability. Pelkey was a renowned puncher of over 200lbs, in his prime, and a declining Burns slugged it out with him giving as good as he got.
I hold nothing against Burns, I just took exception to poster Dempsey stating Johnson could not ko Burns, because it is patently ridiculous, when Johnson got down to business he quickly had Burns on queer street.Burns was saved by the bell in the 13th rd, and on the floor 4 times before the police stepped in.
I'm a fan of Little Tommy's , but lets be real here.
Burns was dropped in fights, his chin was nothing exceptional.


Pelkey a renowned puncher?

Really ,who of any class did he stop?

PLEEEEEZE don't say McCarty.

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