Are there parallels between the Bute vs Froch fight & Haye vs Chisora

[SleazeNation]

I don't know about a Froch vs Bute parallel,

But there is a stylistic possibility that Chisora may have something Haye hasn't seen since Fragomeni.

Haye had a lot of trouble with a come forward, non stop but very limited in terms of skill opponent in Fragomeni. Even Mormeck who was getting on in years dropped Haye and was giving him trouble when he pressed on.

Haye hasn't fought a come forward fighter at heavyweight, Ruiz is probably the closest to that and he was almost 40 years old.

Haye is better than Chisora, no doubt. But if I had to fight Haye, I would want elements of Chisora's style.

[suckeggs]

Originally Posted by SleazeNation

I don't know about a Froch vs Bute parallel,

But there is a stylistic possibility that Chisora may have something Haye hasn't seen since Fragomeni.

Haye had a lot of trouble with a come forward, non stop but very limited in terms of skill opponent in Fragomeni. Even Mormeck who was getting on in years dropped Haye and was giving him trouble when he pressed on.

Haye hasn't fought a come forward fighter at heavyweight, Ruiz is probably the closest to that and he was almost 40 years old.

Haye is better than Chisora, no doubt. But if I had to fight Haye, I would want elements of Chisora's style.

Fragomeni looks like SRL compared to Chisora. Fragomeni has a very good amateur pedigree and has decent footwork and knows how to cut down the ring. Chisora just doesn't. Chisora comes forward... literally.... no lateral movement, looks like he's stuck in quick sand.

Mormeck was a big punching CW who had beaten the unified CW champ earlier that year.

Even that version of Ruiz had quicker feet, hands and better use of the jab than Chisora. Ruiz was also being billed as a tough chinned HW before that fight and look how that one turned out

[SleazeNation]

Originally Posted by suckeggs

Fragomeni looks like SRL compared to Chisora. Fragomeni has a very good amateur pedigree and has decent footwork and knows how to cut down the ring. Chisora just doesn't. Chisora comes forward... literally.... no lateral movement, looks like he's stuck in quick sand.

Mormeck was a big punching CW who had beaten the unified CW champ earlier that year.

Even that version of Ruiz had quicker feet, hands and better use of the jab than Chisora. Ruiz was also being billed as a tough chinned HW before that fight and look how that one turned out

I don't think there is much of a difference between Chisora and Fragomeni in terms of skills from what I've seen.
But Chisora is certainly heavier and younger.

[chico g]

Originally Posted by suckeggs

Fragomeni looks like SRL compared to Chisora. Fragomeni has a very good amateur pedigree and has decent footwork and knows how to cut down the ring. Chisora just doesn't. Chisora comes forward... literally.... no lateral movement, looks like he's stuck in quick sand.

Mormeck was a big punching CW who had beaten the unified CW champ earlier that year and was 35 not 40.

Even that version of Ruiz had quicker feet, hands and better use of the jab than Chisora. Ruiz was also being billed as a tough chinned HW before that fight and look how that one turned out

Ruiz was never that tough. He got his glass jaw shattered against Tua in one round. He only benefited from not being brutally stopped further because he would hold and foul when he was hurt. Stinking up every title fight he ever had, that's why he was called huggy bear. Haye beat a shot to shit version who's luck had just ran out.

[dftaylor]

Originally Posted by chico g

Ruiz was never that tough. He got his glass jaw shattered against Tua in one round. He only benefited from not being brutally stopped further because he would hold and foul when he was hurt. Stinking up every title fight he ever had, that's why he was called huggy bear. Haye beat a shot to shit version who's luck had just ran out.

This is priceless.

[dftaylor]

Originally Posted by SleazeNation

I don't think there is much of a difference between Chisora and Fragomeni in terms of skills from what I've seen.
But Chisora is certainly heavier and younger.

This is also hilarious. Have you ever watched both men fight?

[suckeggs]

Originally Posted by SleazeNation

I don't think there is much of a difference between Chisora and Fragomeni in terms of skills from what I've seen.
But Chisora is certainly heavier and younger.

... Chisora is a wild clubber that has no jab at all... in fact does none of the fundamentals of boxing well.... Fragomeni is a pressure fighter predominantly but does have boxing skills to go with it as well as decent footwork which is essential to be able to keep up with Haye and not be turned inside out all night.

Weight and age means fuck all if you're slower with less boxing ability and not a big puncher

[suckeggs]

Originally Posted by chico g

Ruiz was never that tough. He got his glass jaw shattered against Tua in one round. He only benefited from not being brutally stopped further because he would hold and foul when he was hurt. Stinking up every title fight he ever had, that's why he was called huggy bear. Haye beat a shot to shit version who's luck had just ran out.

Oh yeah... down once in 19 years against that powder puff puncher David Tua

I love how the Hayeters always make the Ruiz was shot statement as if fact. Where is your evidence that he was shot? Had he visibly slowed down? was his visibly punch drunk? were his legs gone? See now in my humble opinion Ruiz had aged but by no means shot. His legs were moving just fine, his hands were as quick as they had ever been and in fact was attempting to box a lot more than he had in years and had taken plenty of flush shots that would have stopped many of other HW's so... where is your proof he was shot? Ruiz that night had faster hands and feet to anything i have ever seen from Chisora

[chico g]

Originally Posted by suckeggs

... Chisora is a wild clubber that has no jab at all... in fact does none of the fundamentals of boxing well.... Fragomeni is a pressure fighter predominantly but does have boxing skills to go with it as well as decent footwork which is essential to be able to keep up with Haye and not be turned inside out all night.

Weight and age means fuck all if you're slower with less boxing ability and not a big puncher

Being a big puncher isn't exactly a asset you need to beat Haye. Mormek had him wobbling like a baby giraffe. And when Jean moved to heavyweight, his punching power was fuck all. Didn't Barret knock Haye down too?

[rampant]

No is the answer to this article!

[suckeggs]

Originally Posted by chico g

Being a big puncher isn't exactly a asset you need to beat Haye. Mormek had him wobbling like a baby giraffe. And when Jean moved to heavyweight, his punching power was fuck all. Didn't Barret knock Haye down too?

Scarecrow having a wank.... clutching at straws.

The fact Wlad landed some real meaty right hands on Haye and is meant to be the biggest puncher in world boxing... i think Del Boy may need a bit more than those slow ass single hooks to stop him.

Haye clearly had a wobbly chin at CW which may be down to weight draining. Amir Khunt has looked to have a much sturdier chin since moving up in weight too.

Barrett caught Haye with a cuff round the back of the head when he was off balance, stood square on after over reaching with a right hook... if you would class that as a legitimate knock down that says anything about Hayes chin then you either haven't seen it or know fuck all. Even after Haye slipped back on his bum and Barrett landed his biggest punch of the fight while Haye was sat on the floor, Haye got up within a count of 3, once the ref restarted the fight Haye ended it within 10 seconds with his next 3 punches... so clearly not hurt and i would say Barrett hits just as hard as Chisora.

[dftaylor]

Originally Posted by suckeggs

Scarecrow having a wank.... clutching at straws.

The fact Wlad landed some real meaty right hands on Haye and is meant to be the biggest puncher in world boxing... i think Del Boy may need a bit more than those slow ass single hooks to stop him.

Haye clearly had a wobbly chin at CW which may be down to weight draining. Amir Khunt has looked to have a much sturdier chin since moving up in weight too.

Barrett caught Haye with a cuff round the back of the head when he was off balance, stood square on after over reaching with a right hook... if you would class that as a legitimate knock down that says anything about Hayes chin then you either haven't seen it or know fuck all. Even after Haye slipped back on his bum and Barrett landed his biggest punch of the fight while Haye was sat on the floor, Haye got up within a count of 3, once the ref restarted the fight Haye ended it within 10 seconds with his next 3 punches... so clearly not hurt and i would say Barrett hits just as hard as Chisora.

Barrett hits harder and, even at that stage, was a better fighter than Chisora is now.

[SleazeNation]

Originally Posted by suckeggs

... Chisora is a wild clubber that has no jab at all... in fact does none of the fundamentals of boxing well.... Fragomeni is a pressure fighter predominantly but does have boxing skills to go with it as well as decent footwork which is essential to be able to keep up with Haye and not be turned inside out all night.

Weight and age means fuck all if you're slower with less boxing ability and not a big puncher

I agree with Chisora, I just don't see the skills that you say Fragomeni has.

[icemax]

Originally Posted by chico g

Yeah just like Haye's excellent foot work. And he got schooled because Wlad kept him at the end of his jabs. Because his height and reach completely neutralized Haye and his speed.

Who mentioned Haye you slack cunt....you really have no clue, have you?

[chico g]

Originally Posted by suckeggs

Scarecrow having a wank.... clutching at straws.

The fact Wlad landed some real meaty right hands on Haye and is meant to be the biggest puncher in world boxing... i think Del Boy may need a bit more than those slow ass single hooks to stop him.

Haye clearly had a wobbly chin at CW which may be down to weight draining. Amir Khunt has looked to have a much sturdier chin since moving up in weight too.

Barrett caught Haye with a cuff round the back of the head when he was off balance, stood square on after over reaching with a right hook... if you would class that as a legitimate knock down that says anything about Hayes chin then you either haven't seen it or know fuck all. Even after Haye slipped back on his bum and Barrett landed his biggest punch of the fight while Haye was sat on the floor, Haye got up within a count of 3, once the ref restarted the fight Haye ended it within 10 seconds with his next 3 punches... so clearly not hurt and i would say Barrett hits just as hard as Chisora.

Didn't Solis stop Haye as well? That nice cushy padded olympic headgear Dave wore wasn't exactly enough to protect his dodgy whiskers. Maybe he should have used stronger a stronger gum shield for his chin.