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View Poll Results: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Manny Pacquiao - do you even care?
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Old 06-02-2012, 01:13 PM   #35641
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Manny Pacquiao is an underachiever. Even if you thought he was going to beat Oscar de la Hoya in 2008, nobody would have expected he would then beat Cotto, Margarito, Mosley, Hatton, etc.

Floyd Mayweather is a great fighter, but you could probably say he achieved less than many expected.
Really from early on in floyd's career many people said he would be the best p4p fighter in the sport and guess what they were right. Not only that but he has won 7 or 8 world titles in 5 different weightclasses while be 43-0. He has gone onto set the record alongside del la hoya for the biggest boxing ppv fight in history. Mayweather has achieved a hell of a lot more than anyone would have expected back when floyd was fighting at 130, only a hater would suggest otherwise.

How many fighters who started out at 130 went up to 154 and stayed undefeated, whilst fighting at an elite level. You can't name many and the ones you do name will be ATG'S
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Old 06-02-2012, 01:15 PM   #35642
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Manny Pacquiao is an underachiever. Even if you thought he was going to beat Oscar de la Hoya in 2008, nobody would have expected he would then beat Cotto, Margarito, Mosley, Hatton, etc.

Floyd Mayweather is a great fighter, but you could probably say he achieved less than many expected.
No one thought he would beat cotto and oscar, FEW thought he would beat hatton, but people who kno boxing knew hatton was washed up...all those other fighters u named, where bums, we all knew he would beat them easily, quit that lyin
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Old 06-02-2012, 01:18 PM   #35644
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Floyd never fought a prime Cotto, Margarito, Williams or Pac.

Mind you, I'm not saying those guys would have beaten him, and Margarito was exposed as a cheater anyway -- I just remember people wanting him to fight all of those guys, and for some reason it never happened. Floyd chose Baldomir instead of Marg, and when Merchant asked him about Cotto after the Hatton fight Floyd was only interested in talking about his retirement. Then Pac emerged as a threat and we got all the speeches about blood tests and cleaning up the sport.
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Old 06-02-2012, 01:21 PM   #35645
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Floyd never fought a prime Cotto, Margarito, Williams or Pac.

Mind you, I'm not saying those guys would have beaten him, and Margarito was exposed as a cheater anyway -- I just remember people wanting him to fight all of those guys, and for some reason it never happened. Floyd chose Baldomir instead of Marg, and when Merchant asked him about Cotto after the Hatton fight Floyd was only interested in talking about his retirement. Then Pac emerged as a threat and we got all the speeches about blood tests and cleaning up the sport.
I also remember people wanting pac to fight Guzman, Soto and Nate but guess what it never happened. Works both ways.
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Old 06-02-2012, 01:23 PM   #35646
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I also remember people wanting pac to fight Guzman, Soto and Nate but guess what it never happened. Works both ways.
But Floyd opted retirement and Pac went on to win at 135 to 147 (150).

There's a difference.
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Old 06-02-2012, 01:25 PM   #35647
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Floyd never fought a prime Cotto, Margarito, Williams or Pac.

Mind you, I'm not saying those guys would have beaten him, and Margarito was exposed as a cheater anyway -- I just remember people wanting him to fight all of those guys, and for some reason it never happened. Floyd chose Baldomir instead of Marg, and when Merchant asked him about Cotto after the Hatton fight Floyd was only interested in talking about his retirement. Then Pac emerged as a threat and we got all the speeches about blood tests and cleaning up the sport.
I didnt see pacquiao fight those guys in their prime either, did pacquiao even fight williams ?
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Old 06-02-2012, 01:27 PM   #35648
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I also remember people wanting pac to fight Guzman, Soto and Nate but guess what it never happened. Works both ways.
back in 130, pacquiao fought morales, barrera and marquez. these are the tough guys at the weight. guzman, valero and soto then where good fighters but hardly a better opponent than the 3 great mexicans. it's good if pac can fight all of them but pac has no responsibilty to fight all the ranked SF at the time. just fight the very best and they were morales, marquez and barrera.
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But Floyd opted retirement and Pac went on to win at 135 to 147 (150).

There's a difference.
And floyd also went onto win at 147, 154, what's your point?

If you want to talk about expectation, didn't people expect pac to beat marquez at WW, what the hell happened?
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Old 06-02-2012, 01:29 PM   #35651
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Can someone start something about 2 nights fights.
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I've been on this forum for years, and I really don't remember any fuss over Pac not fighting 'Guzman, Soto and Nate'. What I do remember is people being in awe of Pac after he beat up Hoya, Hatton and Cotto. (Then the backlash kicked in after he started selecting opponents more carefully, and the PED accusations blew up.) Pac also fought greats like Barrera, Morales and Marquez at the lower weights. He has faults, but I prefer his record to Floyd's record. (And I prefer Floyd's boxing to Pac's style.)
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Old 06-02-2012, 01:29 PM   #35653
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back in 130, pacquiao fought morales, barrera and marquez. these are the tough guys at the weight. guzman, valero and soto then where good fighters but hardly a better opponent than the 3 great mexicans. it's good if pac can fight all of them but pac has no responsibilty to fight all the ranked SF at the time. just fight the very best and they were morales, marquez and barrera.
And he lost to at least 2 of them in the process.
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Old 06-02-2012, 01:31 PM   #35654
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And he lost to at least 2 of them in the process.
Not that bad if your peers are all future hall of famers.
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Old 06-02-2012, 01:36 PM   #35655
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I didnt see pacquiao fight those guys in their prime either, did pacquiao even fight williams ?
dude, are you a boxing noob? when pac first fought as a WW (against oscar), williams was already fighting as a MW (2 divisions higher). boxrec is your friend. also cotto is right at his prime (at age 28 ) when pac fought him.

meanwhile floyd was already a WW since 2005. him and williams were contemporaries at WW especially back in 2007-2008 when WW was waxing hot and these guys were fighting each other except one name was missing and you know who he is.
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