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View Poll Results: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Manny Pacquiao - do you even care?
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Old 06-02-2012, 01:47 PM   #35656
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dude, are you a boxing noob? when pac first fought as a WW (against oscar), williams was already fighting as a MW (2 divisions higher). boxrec is your friend. also cotto is right at his prime (at age 28 ) when pac fought him.

meanwhile floyd was already a WW since 2005. him and williams were contemporaries at WW especially back in 2007-2008 when WW was waxing hot and these guys were fighting each other except one name was missing and you know who he is.
Actually when pacquiao fought oscar, williams was only 154. Williams has been happy to come down to 147 to fight either floyd or manny. Secondly cotto wasnt in his prime, cotto prime was pre margarito,he hasn't been the same fighter since.
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Old 06-02-2012, 01:47 PM   #35657
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dude, are you a boxing noob? when pac first fought as a WW (against oscar), williams was already fighting as a MW (2 divisions higher). boxrec is your friend. also cotto is right at his prime (at age 28 ) when pac fought him.

meanwhile floyd was already a WW since 2005. him and williams were contemporaries at WW especially back in 2007-2008 when WW was waxing hot and these guys were fighting each other except one name was missing and you know who he is.
You calling someone a noob yet saying cotto was right at his prime based on age rather than performances? You are a ****ing idiot.

I guess Martinez was at his prime when margarito beat him, you damn jackass.

Also which MW fight did william take when pac first fought del la hoya at WW?

Pac fought Dela Hoya at WW in Dec 2008, Williams had just thought Phillips at 154. So what the **** you talking about?

Williams fought Winky Wright in april 2009.

So no williams was not fighting at MW when Pac fought oscar. Boxing rec is your friend.
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Old 06-02-2012, 01:56 PM   #35658
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You calling someone a noob yet saying cotto was right at his prime based on age rather than performances? You are a ****ing idiot.

I guess Martinez was at his prime when margarito beat him, you damn jackass.

Also which MW fight did william take when pac first fought del la hoya at WW?

Pac fought Dela Hoya at WW in Dec 2008, Williams had just thought Phillips at 154. So what the **** you talking about?

Williams fought Winky Wright in april 2009.

So no williams was not fighting at MW when Pac fought oscar. Boxing rec is your friend.
difference was martinez at the time was green. cotto at 140 is green when floyd want to fight him. cotto's prime is somewhere around 2007-2009 when he campaigned at WW.

before phillips (which happened several days before pac fought oscar), williams fought kolle and both weighed above 154 which was at MW already wiliams was already a LMW/MW even before pac fought as a WW and you wants pac to fight williams at the time?
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Old 06-02-2012, 02:07 PM   #35659
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difference was martinez at the time was green. cotto at 140 is green when floyd want to fight him. cotto's prime is somewhere around 2007-2009 when he campaigned at WW.

before phillips (which happened several days before pac fought oscar), williams fought kolle and both weighed above 154 which was at MW already wiliams was already a LMW/MW even before pac fought as a WW and you wants pac to fight williams at the time?
Nice spin, but that is not what you said, the fact is williams at the time could campaign easily at WW/LMW/MW, he could make either weight he said this time and time again. So cut the ****.

In 2008 he fought Quintana twice at WW, in 2008 he went up in weight again to fight Kolle which u say was at Middleweight, in 2008 he then went back down again to fight Phillips at 154.

And do you know why he went to 154 for the phillips fight and gave up his WW title? It was because he couldn't secure a meaningful fight at WW.

Piguanani I thought it was about fighting the best? As long as Williams can make weight at 147 what's the problem?
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Old 06-02-2012, 02:10 PM   #35660
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Pacquiao fights fighters at disadvantages e.g. Previously KTFO, Weight drained, way past their primes etc...

Mayweather's ability to win rounds and fights, without taking much punishment is amazing.
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Old 06-02-2012, 02:12 PM   #35661
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Puga..

Are you part of Manny's entourage or what the ****? All day, every day. Give it a ****ing rest. There are other boxers on the planet besides Pacquiao and Mayweather.
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Old 06-02-2012, 02:12 PM   #35662
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Did I mention Mayweather is willing to and takes the test... CLEAN.
Pacquiao doesn't.
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Old 06-02-2012, 02:14 PM   #35663
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Nice spin, but that is not what you said, the fact is williams at the time could campaign easily at WW/LMW/MW, he could make either weight he said this time and time again. So cut the ****.

In 2008 he fought Quintana twice at WW, in 2008 he went up in weight again to fight Kolle which u say was at Middleweight, in 2008 he then went back down again to fight Phillips at 154.

And do you know why he went to 154 for the phillips fight and gave up his WW title? It was because he couldn't secure a meaningful fight at WW.

Piguanani I thought it was about fighting the best? As long as Williams can make weight at 147 what's the problem?
so a noob ***** suggested that pac should have fought williams at WW instead of oscar back then and you are riding that bandwagon?

i already proven you guys that williams has already fought as a MW when pac first fought as a WW. also after oscar, pac fought the other relevant WWs at the time while williams stayed at the higher weight and floyd fought marquez.

so you guys are saying that pac should have fought williams instead of oscar at 147 then? are you saying that pac should have fought williams instead of hatton and williams instead of cotto?
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Old 06-02-2012, 02:16 PM   #35664
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Puga..

Are you part of Manny's entourage or what the ****? All day, every day. Give it a ****ing rest. There are other boxers on the planet besides Pacquiao and Mayweather.
care to answer the question instead of your usual whining?
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Old 06-02-2012, 02:18 PM   #35665
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really expected more domination over oscar from floyd.
Cotto, Cstillo landed easily and often. he is not near what the hype warranted.
4/5 TIMES PAC perfrormed heaps better vs common
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Old 06-02-2012, 02:18 PM   #35666
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care to answer the question instead of your usual whining?

Why? This **** has been covered here a million and one times. Why not just use the search function and get your answer from the hundreds of similar threads. You guys are ****ing slaves to this tit for tat **** now, you realise that? Incapable of talking about anything else.
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Old 06-02-2012, 02:21 PM   #35667
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Comming out of the Olympics Mayweather was expected to be great. Sometimes boxers with great amature careers who are expected to be great fall short of that greatness. Even if they become champions like Mark Breland or have solid careers like Howard Davis. For Mayweather it was be great or be seen as a failure. For Mayweather the expectations were extremaly high. He has excedded them.

Pacquiao on the other hand is a product of a fan frendly style and good marketing.
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Old 06-02-2012, 02:21 PM   #35668
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Manny Pacquiao is an underachiever. Even if you thought he was going to beat Oscar de la Hoya in 2008, nobody would have expected he would then beat Cotto, Margarito, Mosley, Hatton, etc.

Floyd Mayweather is a great fighter, but you could probably say he achieved less than many expected.
you actually meant overachiever here?

would you say that with floyd's talent and skills, that he should have achieved more?
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Old 06-02-2012, 02:22 PM   #35669
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Why? This **** has been covered here a million and one times. Why not just use the search function and get your answer from the hundreds of similar threads. You guys are ****ing slaves to this tit for tat **** now, you realise that? Incapable of talking about anything else.
give me an exactly same ESB thread that covers this topic and i would apologize to you.
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Old 06-02-2012, 02:27 PM   #35670
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give me an exactly same ESB thread that covers this topic and i would apologize to you.

I said similar. Have a look yourself, you'll find several very similar.

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would you say that with floyd's talent and skills, that he should have achieved more?
We all know that's what you're getting at with this thread. It's old, so ****in' old.
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