Pacquiao or Mayweather...who exceeded our expectations more?

[IsaL]

btw, exceeding expectations is a good feat. but a retard who learns why 2+2=4 is exceeding expectations.

[puga_ni_nana]

Originally Posted by SugarShane_24

To answer the question, Pacquiao has exceeded expectation much more.

Simply put, Floyd was grew up in boxing. Dad and 2 uncles were talented pros. Floyd was an olympian, and was groomed to be a champion (or multiple) as soon as he turned pro. So him winning a lot of title is more or less warranted by his abilities. Though winning it 6 times was exceeding expectations as well.

On the other hand, Pac was a wild swinging slugger who has only his power and fighting heart as a foundation. Plus he was already stopped. He was an underdog on his first title shot for starters, simply because Sasakul was better skilled. And it showed, it was only his power that saved the day. Then he got stopped again and few people thought he'll be a champion again. But he did. And then the achievements piled up, the win over Ledwaba, Barrera and beyond.

So in terms of expectations, it was Pacquiao.

fair points.

[puga_ni_nana]

Originally Posted by BobDigi5060

Pac is by far less talented

i wouldn't say less talented and that far. pac is a talented fighter. fast, high workrate, good power, underated defense and technical skill. also his ring generalship is severely underrated basing of the 3 close fights aginst marquez who is a stylistic nightmare to pac.

[Smokin' Joe]

Originally Posted by puga_ni_nana

also his ring generalship is severely underrated basing of the 3 close fights aginst marquez who is a stylistic nightmare to pac.

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[puga_ni_nana]

Originally Posted by Smokin' Joe

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this is not the thread topic but i can comment on this. pacquiao having close fights (having won 2 and drawn one) against his stylistic nightmare in jmm is not a minus to pac's ring generalship. pac can actually make this a harder and a stinker if he would stop being the aggressor in the first place and just wait for jmm to initialize in every opportunity and be a counter-puncher solely. knowing that jmm would not take that much of a chance, this would be a very boring fight. pac brought the figth to jmm, and expectedly struggled against a superb counterpuncher.

so your turn now and kindly give your answer for this thread.

[ajackman1]

Originally Posted by puga_ni_nana

Yes another Pacquiao-Mayweather poll....

Who among these two great fighters have done more with less talent and skills, has accomplished more with lesser expectations? Who among the two always surprised us and has proven us wrong more than the other?

another mayweather pacquiao poll

[Bladegunner]

Originally Posted by puga_ni_nana

this thread is not about this. it is about expectations and what they achieved. who has done more with their talent and skills. which fighter has proven us wrong more.

What the hell is proven us wrong more bullshit?

Pac just lost to old man marquez, only thing he proved is that he ain't improved since their 1st fight

[caneman]

Originally Posted by IsaL

Pacquiao fights fighters at disadvantages e.g. Previously KTFO, Weight drained, way past their primes etc...

Mayweather's ability to win rounds and fights, without taking much punishment is amazing.

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Originally Posted by IsaL

This guys is the one that jumped up and got wet when Oscar asked him to train him for the Mayweather fight, putting Manny second place.

Now after working with both very close and knowing that DLH is bigger, more powerful, and can potentially hurt Pac very bad with a series of left hooks or perhaps just one, he is tellin Pac he could beat DLH and even KNOCK him OUT!

Is Roach making Pac believe he can win because he wants another Trainer Mega Pay Day? I can't see how an expert, professional, and experienced trainer could actually believe this. I'm lead to believe he is selling Manny out for a Mega Pay day.

Originally Posted by IsaL(Uliuli)

No way he can beat Hatton at 140.

[Smokin' Joe]

Originally Posted by puga_ni_nana

this is not the thread topic but i can comment on this. pacquiao having close fights (having won 2 and drawn one) against his stylistic nightmare in jmm is not a minus to pac's ring generalship. pac can actually make this a harder and a stinker if he would stop being the aggressor in the first place and just wait for jmm to initialize in every opportunity and be a counter-puncher solely. knowing that jmm would not take that much of a chance, this would be a very boring fight. pac brought the figth to jmm, and expectedly struggled against a superb counterpuncher.

so your turn now and kindly give your answer for this thread.

So you're admitting Juan was the ring general in those fights, but you just said you're basing your opinion of Pacquiao's ring generalship on those fights.


And I would give my opinion on this thread if it was worth the trouble, which it isn't. Just as shit as the rest of your threads.

[caneman]

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Ricky Hatton

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ATTENTION! This thread made 2-15-2008, 2 months after Floyd KO'd Hatton. Yet, NO pre-excuses were made that Hatton was shot and his chin softened. 95% still picked Hatton by brutal KO!

Originally Posted by BigBone

Hatton by KO... 140 is too much for Manny no matter how good he is... how good he is will be a tough question after March 15th as JMM will outbox him this time (as well).

Originally Posted by brooklyn1550

Hatton - too strong, would get in close to Pacquiao and get the better of him as Pacquiao needs more room to operate.

Originally Posted by kg0208

Hatton and it wouldn't las too long.

Originally Posted by MasterFlo

Hatton easily, I don't even know why there's talk of this. Even if Pacquiao had more time to move up in weight I still see it going for Hatton but he plans 1 fight at 135 and then to Hatton at 140? no chance. JMM himself is going to be enough trouble and they're in the same weight class.

Originally Posted by jc

Rumble for four rounds before Ricky knocks him clean out.

In reality, a mismatch.

Originally Posted by MON

Hatton. Easy fight too.

Will still be attractive though, even if it is a mismatch.

Originally Posted by JC2006

Hatton would mug him.

Originally Posted by o_money

manny gets owned. if he handles the wieght well, manny gets owned in an all action wicked battle.

Originally Posted by jecxbox

Hatton would shatter his ribs literally.

Originally Posted by psychopath

Damn . . . here we go again . . . Hatton will maul Pac and send him to the hospital in a strecher.

Originally Posted by stuistylee

hatton wins...probably early...

Originally Posted by 4Rounder

I have a hard time believing Pacquiao will be somewhat successful at lightweight. Bigger men, bigger gloves, young champions, and he doesn't have the skill to make a big dent in higher weight classes. 140 is just too much and if it happens, its Hatton by KO and to cash the big check for the medical bills.

Originally Posted by 196osh

Pac would get the crap beaten out of him

Hatton KO

Originally Posted by warrior85

hatton ko in 4

Originally Posted by Rise Above

Hatton would be way to strong for Pac. Hatton by KO.

Originally Posted by Holmes' Jab

Hatton, no doubt at all. Mid-round TKO.

Originally Posted by IsaL(Uliuli)

No way he can beat Hatton at 140.

Originally Posted by Grievesy

Hatton would dominate Pacquiao. A big mismatch

Originally Posted by john b

Well sorry to burst your bubble but hatton will ko him in 10.

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Miguel Cotto-

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Originally Posted by walk with me

cotto destroys

Originally Posted by EL-MATADOR

Cotto steamrolls Pac

Originally Posted by catasyou

No,not really as Cotto would beat him bad.Unlike DLH Cotto is in his prime and will have a big size advantage over Pac

Originally Posted by TheGaut

One body shot from cotto and its all over

Originally Posted by Kush

Cotto by KO. It wont be pretty

Originally Posted by Addie

Anybody who picks Pacquiao in this fight at either 147 or 140 loses all credibility as a result.

Originally Posted by elmbloke

i would watch and cotto would win.

Originally Posted by DobyZhee

other than that, Cotto destroys Pac.

Originally Posted by Monstar

normally i wouldnt wanna see Pac get destroyed but....if it's Cotto doing the job, i'd pay money to see it

Originally Posted by warrior85

it'd be an entertaining fight while it lasts but cotto ko's him within 6/7 rounds

Originally Posted by Beenie

I'd pick Cotto but it's not as bad as what I once thought. Since watching the De La Hoya beat down I'd say Pac's boxing skills would allow him to compete and fair well against Cotto. Cotto is open to the left hand as demonstrated by Judah so Pac would be able to find openings. In the end Cotto would show Pac what it really means to fight at welter weight and fully use his size and strength advantages to prevail.

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PC: Was coming down to 145 tougher than you thought it would be since you hadn’t weighed 145 or less since 2006?

MC: I felt really good at that weight. It wasn’t a problem for me.

[Braindamage]

I expected great thing from FM, so I'm not surprised of what he's accomplished. For MP to move up and fight guys way bigger than him and beat them the way he did is a surprise for me.

[puga_ni_nana]

Originally Posted by Bladegunner

What the hell is proven us wrong more bullshit?

Pac just lost to old man marquez, only thing he proved is that he ain't improved since their 1st fight

so you think floyd accomplished more with lesser talent and has proven you wrong more?

[puga_ni_nana]

Originally Posted by Smokin' Joe

So you're admitting Juan was the ring general in those fights, but you just said you're basing your opinion of Pacquiao's ring generalship on those fights.


And I would give my opinion on this thread if it was worth the trouble, which it isn't. Just as shit as the rest of your threads.

i would not be arsed to continue talking about this when you don't care about the actual thread topic. please continue your trolling in every pac thread and hopefully, your bitter ass would someday heal.

[Bladegunner]

Originally Posted by puga_ni_nana

i would not be arsed to continue talking about this when you don't care about the actual thread topic. please continue your trolling in every pac thread and hopefully, your bitter ass would someday heal.

This coming from the guy who refuses to accept the fact that marquez tapped his hero ass.

[Smokin' Joe]

Originally Posted by puga_ni_nana

i would not be arsed to continue talking about this when you don't care about the actual thread topic. please continue your trolling in every pac thread and hopefully, your bitter ass would someday heal.

How many Pacquiao threads you see me in, idiot? Not many at all, because I don't care for the most part. You need to be called out for your shit threads and shit comments though, for sure. Only one troll here and it ain't me.