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Old 06-04-2012, 03:18 PM   #1
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Default Is power and speed really genetics or is technique involved?

sorry if this a dumb question guys, but i've always looked at how different each guy would punch. I remember seeing bradley do padwork with hearns and hearns sort of taught him to throw the hook a bit different and he seemed to hit pretty damn hard compared to the normal hook he throws. That being said you can't teach an old dog new tricks, so he probably stopped.

Few guys in my gym i find throw each punch differently even with technique being somewhat the same. Some guys will slightly throw a bit of more of an arm punch to get speed or they will go through the whole motion too fast to really get in any "weight" from there body, while a guy like me goes through the whole motion of feeling the "weight" start from my foot to my right hand when i throw a straight.

Even at the pro levels, everyone throws completely differently, no one looks the same when really throwing the hook or a straight. Also weight distribution is something that really affects power.

what do you guys think? I honestly believe, yes it is genetics but technique and weight distribution really plays a much bigger factor than anyone thinks.
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Old 06-04-2012, 03:39 PM   #2
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This could be of interest [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3Hwa_ZAoCs[/ame]
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Old 06-04-2012, 04:41 PM   #3
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Default Re: Is power and speed really genetics or is technique involved?

r1p00p1k lot of ppl agree with me in that other thread i made.... just saying, dont throw insults about until uve gone through the whole thread.
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Old 06-04-2012, 05:10 PM   #4
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r1p00p1k lot of ppl agree with me in that other thread i made.... just saying, dont throw insults about until uve gone through the whole thread.
the fact that you couldn't have another type of arguement other than this top athlete is doing it is really what ticked me and alot of people off. I also said i agreed but at the same time there are different ways. There are much better arguements than that.
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Old 06-04-2012, 05:31 PM   #5
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Genetics is important. You're born with the potential to become a power puncher at the highest level. But I wouldn't say you couldn't take an average guy and not train him up to have a solid punch without great genetics, granted he wouldn't be at Tyson's level, he was a genetic freak, but he could still train to a decent level power-wise.
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Old 06-04-2012, 07:08 PM   #7
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Old 06-04-2012, 11:07 PM   #8
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Very cool Scrap.

Similar to the concept in the book "Bounce".
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I think raw blinding speed is genetic to some degree. Power can be developed to a bit of a higher extent, but I think most people I have seen are either fast, or they aren't. You just know that even if Baldomir trains for speed all his life and Floyd sits on the couch for ten years, Floyd is still going to be faster.

Power is similar because of bone structure, tendon strength, and bio feedback. I never hit a man as absolutely hard as I can because I know I will mess up my fragile wrist. Instead of having a 5.25 inch wrist, Pac has near an 8 inch wrist. Who do you think punches without worrying about breaking their wrists? So that is genetic, too, and its unconscious, the body simply wont let you injure yourself unless its an extreme circumstance.
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It's both, you might have primarily a fast twitch athlete and they'll have a higher ceiling for power and speed from training. Useless without technique though, balance and body control is needed, along with timing developed from consistent training. Psychological factors are involved as well, nothing is ever one thing or the other.
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Cool video. One thing it didn't mention that I'd add is that when you're focusing on the small parts don't focus on any small part for too long. If you randomly practice the small parts in a different order it takes more effort to remember how to do it correctly, that reinforces the memory into your brain more efficiently due to the jumping backwards and forwards between different wires. Skills are about memory, so practicing things randomly works very well when you're learning anything.
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Old 06-05-2012, 04:59 AM   #12
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One thing that could be taking into account when looking at punch power and speed can be muscles fibres. Basically your body has 3 main different types of muscle fibres which are type 1, type 2a and type 2b.

Type 1 muscle fibres are slow twitch, you'll find endurance athletes have a lot of these. Type 2b muscle fibres are fast twitch and athletes like sprinters will be heavily type 2b based. You're born with a certain amount of these fibres in your body and can't change these.

Type 2a however, can be changed depending on how you train. If you do endurance exercises you'll be making the type 2a act more like type 1 muscle fibres. And if you do explosive exercises the type 2a will act more like the type 2b fibres.

Obviously the more type 2b fibres you have, the harder and faster you'll hit.
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Cool video. One thing it didn't mention that I'd add is that when you're focusing on the small parts don't focus on any small part for too long. If you randomly practice the small parts in a different order it takes more effort to remember how to do it correctly, that reinforces the memory into your brain more efficiently due to the jumping backwards and forwards between different wires. Skills are about memory, so practicing things randomly works very well when you're learning anything.
Training Bit, Part, Whole, is the way to go, if theres the awareness, of the Task in Hand and Why. Myelin, is the source of Do. Memory I dont know, but out of interest, this might make things more confusing. At the Time it made me more elated than Training Champions. Getting a 12 year old with C/P to do something He had never done, Walk.
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One thing that could be taking into account when looking at punch power and speed can be muscles fibres. Basically your body has 3 main different types of muscle fibres which are type 1, type 2a and type 2b.

Type 1 muscle fibres are slow twitch, you'll find endurance athletes have a lot of these. Type 2b muscle fibres are fast twitch and athletes like sprinters will be heavily type 2b based. You're born with a certain amount of these fibres in your body and can't change these.

Type 2a however, can be changed depending on how you train. If you do endurance exercises you'll be making the type 2a act more like type 1 muscle fibres. And if you do explosive exercises the type 2a will act more like the type 2b
Obviously the more type 2b fibres you have, the harder and faster you'll hit.
For Speed Stability of the Oral Cavity, is the most important
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Old 06-05-2012, 02:14 PM   #15
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For Speed Stability of the Oral Cavity, is the most important

Hey up Scrap,

Where can I learn more about this?

Also, you refer to "feel" quite alot - where can I find out more about this?

Can you recommend a source that would give me a nice overview / intro.

Cheers,

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