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Old 06-10-2012, 11:59 PM   #1
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Default John Ruiz vs. Floyd Patterson

I say Ruiz wins.

Ugly style, but effective. Had a way of neutralizing more 'talented' opponents and making them fight down to his level.

What do you say?

And who's the best all-time heavy you favor Ruiz to beat?
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Old 06-11-2012, 12:21 AM   #2
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Old 06-11-2012, 12:41 AM   #3
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Default Re: John Ruiz vs. Floyd Patterson

Patterson - or any decent HW - exposes Ruiz as the glorified clubfighter he always was. Without King's influence to grease the wheels, Ruiz doesn't sniff contention or "win" a title using illegal tactics.
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Old 06-11-2012, 02:59 AM   #4
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Patterson - or any decent HW - exposes Ruiz as the glorified clubfighter he always was. Without King's influence to grease the wheels, Ruiz doesn't sniff contention or "win" a title using illegal tactics.
Exposed? Like Evander Headbuttinfield did to him? Trying to headbutt his way out of the clench?

Ruiz > Headbuttingfield
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Old 06-11-2012, 03:50 AM   #5
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Default Re: John Ruiz vs. Floyd Patterson

Don't necessarily disagree with OP. The later mover version of Patterson might be better suited.
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Old 06-11-2012, 04:45 AM   #6
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Patterson relativly wide UD.
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Old 06-11-2012, 01:14 PM   #7
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Old 06-11-2012, 01:49 PM   #8
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John Ruiz was pretty shitty.
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Old 06-11-2012, 03:51 PM   #9
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fLOYD KNOCKS THE CRAP OUT OF HIM LATER tko
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Old 06-11-2012, 03:56 PM   #10
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Default Re: John Ruiz vs. Floyd Patterson

watch roy jones jr fight him, then think who had the better chin, but if ruiz actually took this to the gutter i see a ko for ruiz.
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Old 06-11-2012, 03:57 PM   #11
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Agree that Floyd would beat the living crap out of Ruiz. Floyd was way too fast, too powerful, too active, had plenty of pop, solid condition, and could fire blazing combos to the body and head that were unbelievable, and the best Ruiz could hope for would be to lose a wide decision.
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Old 06-11-2012, 06:23 PM   #12
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The Quiet Man is so incredibly underrated. Strong, durable, cunning and clever... and a decent right hand to go along with a good inside game.

I think he beats every champ up to Louis, wins 1 out of 3 against Louis, and continues to beat every champ up to Liston... and that includes Patterson.
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Old 06-11-2012, 06:47 PM   #13
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Seamus wot a load of rubbish johnson and dempsey would beat him louis would annihilate him he aint underrated ur overrated him if u think he can beat them
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Old 06-11-2012, 06:57 PM   #14
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Agree that Floyd would beat the living crap out of Ruiz. Floyd was way too fast, too powerful, too active, had plenty of pop, solid condition, and could fire blazing combos to the body and head that were unbelievable, and the best Ruiz could hope for would be to lose a wide decision.
Exactly. We're talking two different classes of fighter here. An ATG, or borderline ATG, who held the HW championship vs. a glorified clubfighter who held a fractional belt and was maneuvered into undeserved title shot after undeserved title shot due to connections with a powerful promoter.

Seriously, the fact that a fighter with as little ability as Ruiz held even a paper title is a disgrace to this sport, and that's even moreso the case when you consider he violated the rules against excessive holding in virtually every fight he had against world class comp - because he wouldn't have been remotely competitive without the illegal tactics!!!
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Old 06-11-2012, 07:26 PM   #15
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I seem to remember a certain heavyweight out of Galveston who clinched every bit as often. And I would pick Ruiz over that guy, too. Just too big, too modern, too athletic.
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