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Old 06-12-2012, 09:49 AM   #106
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Default Re: Tim Bradley will give Floyd Mayweather hell

Well think about the styles here:

The punch that PBF is most vulnerable to is the jab from an orthodox fighter. Bradley's jab isnt very good. He is more reliant on the right hand, which mayweather is very good at defending against and countering. Cotto had some success against PBF because he had the physical strength necessary to bully mayweather to the ropes, a great jab coupled with excellent timing, great footwork, good tight defense.

Of these qualities bradley is missing the physical strength and the great jab. His defense isnt as good either imo. Instead he has a excellent right hand and prefers to slip and dodge punches than block them. This wont work very well vs floyd as floyd times his punches superbly making them harder to avoid than block.

The reason that Bradley did well against pac is that pac is more vulnerable to the right hand than the jab. Pac also tends to go off balance when punching, which means that if you can slip or duck the punch he is vulnerable to counters. Physical strength also counts for less against pac as forcing him to the ropes involves getting in a firefight with him (not a good idea).

The marquez and cotto fights illustrate this about both floyd and pac pretty well imo. Marquez has an excellent right hand but his jab isnt quite as good. He also lacks physical strength at 147 but has good timing and footwork. He has great head movement which allowed him to create plenty of openings to counter against pac. This means that he was more suited to fight pac than floyd. Cotto is different. He possesses the great jab, timing, footwork and physical strength necessary to give floyd a competitive fight, but was blown away by manny due to his lack of a right hand and the fact that he prefers to block punches than slip them thus limiting countering opportunities.

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Old 06-12-2012, 09:51 AM   #107
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A deteriorated man who has been denied training, I am sure.

Floyd Mayweather in peak conditioning? Bradley gets spanked.
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Old 06-12-2012, 10:19 AM   #108
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Well think about the styles here:

The punch that PBF is most vulnerable to is the jab from an orthodox fighter. Bradley's jab isnt very good. He is more reliant on the right hand, which mayweather is very good at defending against and countering. Cotto had some success against PBF because he had the physical strength necessary to bully mayweather to the ropes, a great jab coupled with excellent timing, great footwork, good tight defense.

Of these qualities bradley is missing the physical strength and the great jab. His defense isnt as good either imo. Instead he has a excellent right hand and prefers to slip and dodge punches than block them. This wont work very well vs floyd as floyd times his punches superbly making them harder to avoid than block.

The reason that Bradley did well against pac is that pac is more vulnerable to the right hand than the jab. Pac also tends to go off balance when punching, which means that if you can slip or duck the punch he is vulnerable to counters. Physical strength also counts for less against pac as forcing him to the ropes involves getting in a firefight with him (not a good idea).

The marquez and cotto fights illustrate this about both floyd and pac pretty well imo. Marquez has an excellent right hand but his jab isnt quite as good. He also lacks physical strength at 147 but has good timing and footwork. He has great head movement which allowed him to create plenty of openings to counter against pac. This means that he was more suited to fight pac than floyd. Cotto is different. He possesses the great jab, timing, footwork and physical strength necessary to give floyd a competitive fight, but was blown away by manny due to his lack of a right hand and the fact that he prefers to block punches than slip them thus limiting countering opportunities.

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Your whole post is ****ed up.

Did Hatton have a great deal of trouble getting Floyd against the ropes despite not having a jab?

The jab is a great punch against Floyd if you are boxing him, but we will never know because the only guy that Floyd has fought that can keep it in the center of the ring was De La Hoya, who had a jab worth his salt.

I suppose Cotto is in that same category, but Floyd's height and reach advantage, made it so that Floyd didn't have to be the aggressor.

Against Oscar this wasn't the case, but Oscar pressed the fight. To be honest, Oscar doesn't have the type of jab that would really make Floyd have to be the aggressor anyway. For that, a guy like Vernon Forrest would have done the job and we would have really seen Floyd tested.

Anyway, back to Cotto. Cotto wasn't going to be able to jab with Mayweather, but yes, Cotto does have a great jab and it was his most effective punch in the fight.

Still, Mayweather's willingness to go to the ropes, and his fight with Hatton, who doesn't have a great jab, ability to push him against the ropes means that an impact jab is not necessary to put Floyd in this position.

This means Bradley would push Floyd agains the ropes. Do you suggest that Bradley just jabs Floyd as he mauls him against the ropes, or mabye perhaps, and I say this cuz I'm not a dumbass, but perhaps, he should utilize hooks and uppercuts to Floyd's midsection to get the best results, as well as employing aggressive defense, IE move when Floyd lands.

So this takes the jab out of the equation because when you have a guy against the ropes, and you're mauling him, the jab isn't a signficant factor.

In the center of the ring, you're absolutely right, and Bradley doesn't have a great jab like Cotto, and he won't be able to do much in the center of the ring.

At the same time though, while Mayweather will get his best work done in the center of the ring, Bradley's elusiveness will make it difficult for Mayweather to land more than single shots.

Mayweather will also be hesitant to throw combaintinos because it will be a waste of time due to Bradley's head movement, and Bradley will fire back with his own punches when Floyd is most vulnerable.

Floyd isn't trying to get into a fire fight. He's trying to box this guy, but Floyd's tenativeness in the center of the ring, combined with Bradley's already excellent conditioning will be just enough to give Bradley the break he needs so he can get back into position with Floyd against the ropes and do his most effective work while keeping Floyd off balance and unable to put down serious connections.

I don't know what Marquez has to do with anything.

Marquez is a patient counterpuncher, not a mauling aggressive fighter like Bradley.

Marquez is completely irrelevant. Marquez did not lose that fight because his lack of jab. That's ridiculous. Marquez had the wrong style and he was too small.
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Old 06-12-2012, 10:21 AM   #109
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TB....with TR neva' gonna happen
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Old 06-12-2012, 10:34 AM   #110
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no, floyd is way better boxer than him, and tim doesn't have power either.
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Old 06-12-2012, 11:11 AM   #111
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Glass-handed Mayweather probably stops him.
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Old 06-12-2012, 11:12 AM   #112
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Nah he won't, Mayweather would destroy him.
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Old 06-12-2012, 11:14 AM   #113
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Timmy hits like a bitch... Floyd toys with Timmy all night.
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Old 06-12-2012, 11:14 AM   #114
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LMAO... Floyd UD 120-108! Bradley sucks..
... Paying Floyd a compliment Slugger? I never thought I'd see the day :')
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Old 06-12-2012, 11:35 AM   #115
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Default Re: Tim Bradley will give Floyd Mayweather hell

Tim BADley will get picked apart and hurt by ANY version of Money May!

Bradley has little or no chance of avoiding any quick 140/147 pounder's lead punch!

Money May has:
Side step check hooks, the lead right(straight or sneaking around the guard) and the Dinamita combo (lead left upper cut/hook followed by a straight right) combined with the movement... Timmy has no chance!

I'll even go as far as saying Bradley wouldn't beat D.Alexander again at 147!
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Old 06-12-2012, 02:15 PM   #116
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Nah, Floyd would have his way with Tim. Bad style matchup for Tim. Floyd does everything better -- he would eat him up.

Not a shutout, though. Probably 8-4 or 9-3 Floyd.
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