Why do people train at non-productive gyms?

[AdamB]

Originally Posted by tmsbry

Earlsfield ABC is one of the best clubs in Britain at the min, they had 3 ABA champions this year, Earlsfield is the very definition of productive

The issue I have is that the club I go to has had a total of three bouts under it's banner, two of which were the same girl. There is not a huge focus on sparring, only really ever at the end of an hour an a half session when you're really tired. It's pretty damn busy, mostly with people doing it just for fitness.

I really like the people, but I'm not too sure that I'll actually get to the point of feeling comfortable enough to compete at the club I'm at, and it seems Earlsfield (being as good a club as it is) is only really looking for people with bouts under their belt.

[Dark Sider]

You don't need top sparring partners or great coaches to compete and win fights.

There are other ways to become good or even great.

90% of being a good boxer comes back to the athlete!

[greynotsoold]

Originally Posted by Dark Sider

You don't need top sparring partners or great coaches to compete and win fights.

There are other ways to become good or even great.

90% of being a good boxer comes back to the athlete!

I think you probably need either a good coach or good sparring. And if you have one or the other, at some point you'll need the other, just to round things out.

[Dark Sider]

You can teach yourself enough to get by until you have the means to move to a better gym.

Lots of champions are self-taught at boxing and have bad habits, but championship heart.

[Pugsley]

Originally Posted by Primate

Hasn't stopped a lot of martial arts gyms from being overwhelmingly mediocre.


Yes. There should be an accreditation program of some description which includes elements of physiology, sports psychology, basic first aid, etc. etc.



Not a boxing trainer, but one of the most bizarre conversations I've ever had was with a certified Yang Mian instructor. The guy was a complete fucking space cadet. He was a weedy little skinny bloke telling me about how internally powerful he was and how he'd trained with al guys of guys, from massive wrestlers to pro boxers and mma fighters, and how they were all really strong, but the lacked internal power. While he's telling me all this he's doing breathing exercises and aligning his chi, and telling me how I should be able to see how powerful he is.

I've met a lot of wankers like that. They're called runaways. Weedy runt with a lot of self talk about his exclusive 'powers'.

[scrap]

Originally Posted by Omar Little

What champions are self-taught? you're talking shit, aren't you?

Theres a lot of Truth in that .

[Pugsley]

Originally Posted by brown bomber

I'm interested as to why people stay at boxing gyms which clearly lack in key area's?

I'm a bit older now but looking back I do wish I had being smart enough to spend my time more wisely during the time I was learning boxing. I had some fabulous trainers as an amateur and pro and I did learn a great deal from mainly Andy Sumner, Louis Veitch and Kevin Maree, though I was lucky enough to do a little bit of training with Frank Eliis, Alan Levene, Neville Rowe and Eric Metcalf too. But inbetween those stanza's and even with Louis I plateu'd at times (my own fault).

Hindsight is a wonderful thing folks but you need to ensure that your time is spent in a productive way.

People need to think more sometimes- thats the problem they just do without asking why...

I'm doing something new at the moment and I see why people don't ask... because they are blind. They cannot see the intricisies of what they are doing. Its only when a greater level of understanding comes that they start to realise what they are doing might not be correct and then its too late. You have often bonded with the trainer- and make excuses because you are comfortable.

I've seen the scheme of works from the AIBA and basic is the word i'd best use to term what it covers, very low level physiology (as in primary school stuff). Good fundamentals granted, but the requirements of trainers expertise is so low. You can literally put a pair of mits on, do a two day course and call yourself an expert trainer.

My questions are this;

Should boxing gyms start to use an affiliated ranking system like jujitsu or other martial arts?

Should boxing trainers be forced to develop their physiological knowledge?

Whats the funniest thing you've heard or read a trainer say?

Why? This is more of a universal problem, people doing something without really putting much thought into it. That's their attitude towards their day job, or life in general. Dedication to something is rare.
The funniest thing I've heard from a 'trainer', is a weedy runt standing on the wayside pretending he's fucking hard, and being wrong at just about EVERYTHING. Though you know he hasn't a clue about Boxing, he's trying his best to justify his minimum hourly wage as a gym clit.
The affiliated ranking system would probably not do Boxing any Justice, we have seen 3 month insta-black belts, 2nd Dans who piss their pants the minute you grab them by the collar, and rating systems in Kungfu. The point is, none of those guys know how to fight!
Being stuck in a comfort zone is not conducive to being competitive. But that's just common sense, right? No! At least I can pretend I'm fucking hard. (tongue in cheek)

[avk47]

Originally Posted by boxbible

What an idiot!

Not only does he lack any psychological sense, but there seems to be a severe shortage of common sense.

The guy was an absolute idiot who shouldn't be coaching people.

[boxon123]

Originally Posted by brown bomber

I'm interested as to why people stay at boxing gyms which clearly lack in key area's?

I'm a bit older now but looking back I do wish I had being smart enough to spend my time more wisely during the time I was learning boxing. I had some fabulous trainers as an amateur and pro and I did learn a great deal from mainly Andy Sumner, Louis Veitch and Kevin Maree, though I was lucky enough to do a little bit of training with Frank Eliis, Alan Levene, Neville Rowe and Eric Metcalf too. But inbetween those stanza's and even with Louis I plateu'd at times (my own fault).

Hindsight is a wonderful thing folks but you need to ensure that your time is spent in a productive way.

People need to think more sometimes- thats the problem they just do without asking why...

I'm doing something new at the moment and I see why people don't ask... because they are blind. They cannot see the intricisies of what they are doing. Its only when a greater level of understanding comes that they start to realise what they are doing might not be correct and then its too late. You have often bonded with the trainer- and make excuses because you are comfortable.

I've seen the scheme of works from the AIBA and basic is the word i'd best use to term what it covers, very low level physiology (as in primary school stuff). Good fundamentals granted, but the requirements of trainers expertise is so low. You can literally put a pair of mits on, do a two day course and call yourself an expert trainer.

My questions are this;

Should boxing gyms start to use an affiliated ranking system like jujitsu or other martial arts?

Should boxing trainers be forced to develop their physiological knowledge?

Whats the funniest thing you've heard or read a trainer say?

I find the biggest trouble with most gyms is the can only teach one style. If the trainer was a tall rangy guy he tries to teach everyone whether they are 6 foot two or five foot five that style of boxing. There is no adjustment for body type . The good ones can give you a boxing style that suits you. This does not answer your question but I thought I might just add to the thread.

[LongJab]

I would say lack of choices and the absence of advice to the athelete when first starting.

I would say proper coaching is mandatory rather than critical.

[paloalto00]

Sometimes you can't contol that, I grew up in a town where only 2 gyms were in the area. On the same note, I met some great coaches who the only thing that separated them from where they are now and Freddy Roach status is a committed prize fighter

[Stinkbug]

Im starting to think I need to find a better gym to train in, but lack of choice is a problem for me. I've been to my local ABC but they weren't interested in offering anything other than a "boxing fitness class" (basically a bit of circuit training and smacking a heavy bag about) unless I was willing to compete.

I ended up going to a thai boxing gym that runs a boxing session twice a week which was fine initially as a beginner but i feel like i'm not making any progress now as there's no real attempt to teach proper technique and i'm sure i'm picking up bad habits that aren't being corrected.

The only other gym option I have is Millbank Gym where Tony Hill and Matty Tew train but they're only really interested in training you for white collar or pro bouts and right now i feel i'm a million miles away from that!

I'm not saying I never want to compete, i'm 30 and i'd love to give it a go before everything starts to creak too much. I'd just like to find a gym where I feel like i'm learning something and not just doing a glorified boxercise class!

[123ko]

Originally Posted by brown bomber

My questions are this;

Should boxing gyms start to use an affiliated ranking system like jujitsu or other martial arts?

Should boxing trainers be forced to develop their physiological knowledge?

Whats the funniest thing you've heard or read a trainer say?

The problem is most so called boxing coach's are limited to working on fitness thats it ,,thats why the club Ive been at for the past 3 months have never had a champion boxer ,,,also most of these fitness coach's don't get payed so doing a ranking system would just scare them away
we have coaching levels thats good enough

Most coach's really do think they know what there talking about ,when really they no nothing about why one boxing is better than the other, if they are limited to experience, they will only teach what they know , forced to develop their physiological knowledge will only add fuel to the fire ,,you can't teach a old dog new tricks,,thats why some clubs are better than others

The other day the trainer was watching a lad hit the bag & instead of giving him a combination to work on he said (go turbo) ,,could you Imagen the coach in your corner shouting GO TURBO to his boxer ,,,your dad wouldn't even shout that never mind your coach

[brown bomber]

Go turbo??? Ha ha ha I know one guy who would def say something like that