Should all fighters be tested?

[Collie]

Missed test = failed test

No test = no fight

[king khan]

Originally Posted by Overhill

That's not true, at all.

Keeping, let's say 25% of gains after year is very realistic with intelligent training and healthy living.

To lose all gains you'd have to stop training completely, or over-do-it big time. If I remember right; it was two year period you had to 'admit' being clean to get license in powerlifting.

And then there's muscle memory..

--When participating in any sport, new motor skills and movement combinations are frequently being used and repeated. All sports require some degree of strength, endurance training, and skilled reaching in order to be successful in the required tasks. Muscle memory related to strength training probably involves elements of both motor learning, described below, and long-lasting changes in the muscle tissue.

Evidence has shown that increases in strength occur well before muscle hypertrophy, and decreases in strength due to detraining or ceasing to repeat the exercise over an extended period of time precede muscle atrophy. To be specific, strength training enhances motor neuron excitability and induces synaptogenesis, both of which would help in enhancing communication between the nervous system and the muscles themselves.--

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Of course there's always some exceptions. . . BUt by and large, you're not going to reap anywhere CLOSE to the benefits of the drug if you were not on a cycle during training camp, and going into the fight. . . ANd ESPECIALLY after 6 months. . .

This is boxing, not powerlifting. . . The gains you make from steroid use are "artificle" gains - it's not possible to maintain them unless continued use of the drug for SIX MONTHS. . . Boxers already have all the muscle memory they're going to develop for the most part. . . Unless the boxer was trying to add mass, it wouldn't really mkake a difference anyway. . . Power, and speed are all about TECHNIQUE. . . From what we've seen based on boxers who have used PEDS - they have NO DIFFERENCE in speed, or power. . The only benefits seem to be stamina, from the increased red blood cells, thereby delivering oxygen more efficiently, and in turn, because of increased stamina, is increased punch resistance. . and ability to MAINTAIN the same power from round 1, through round 12 (but not an actual INCREASE from your base power before) I'm sorry, but YOU ARE NOT going to have the increased red blood cell count after 180 days of discontinued use. . .

You're trying to pick hairs here. . . It's a good base idea to implement - of course no matter what, there will never be airtight rules. . . The rules will have to CONSTANTLY EVOLVE, and ADAPT as new doping methods come about, and possible loopholes. . LOL, of course I can't write up everthing I'm going to propose in one post, off the top of my head. . . But this is a DAMN GOOD PLACE TO START

[Overhill]

Originally Posted by king khan

Of course there's always some exceptions. . . BUt by and large, you're not going to reap anywhere CLOSE to the benefits of the drug if you were not on a cycle during training camp, and going into the fight. . . ANd ESPECIALLY after 6 months. . .

This is boxing, not powerlifting. . . The gains you make from steroid use are "artificle" gains - it's not possible to maintain them unless continued use of the drug for SIX MONTHS. . . Boxers already have all the muscle memory they're going to develop for the most part. . . Unless the boxer was trying to add mass, it wouldn't really mkake a difference anyway. . . Power, and speed are all about TECHNIQUE. . . From what we've seen based on boxers who have used PEDS - they have NO DIFFERENCE in speed, or power. . The only benefits seem to be stamina, from the increased red blood cells, thereby delivering oxygen more efficiently, and in turn, because of increased stamina, is increased punch resistance. . and ability to MAINTAIN the same power from round 1, through round 12 (but not an actual INCREASE from your base power before) I'm sorry, but YOU ARE NOT going to have the increased red blood cell count after 180 days of discontinued use. . .

You're trying to pick hairs here. . . It's a good base idea to implement - of course no matter what, there will never be airtight rules. . . The rules will have to CONSTANTLY EVOLVE, and ADAPT as new doping methods come about, and possible loopholes. . LOL, of course I can't write up everthing I'm going to propose in one post, off the top of my head. . . But this is a DAMN GOOD PLACE TO START

Well, I guess I have to take your word and forget my 19 year experience on the subject.

[Hatesrats]

They should TEST them ALL or NONE at all.
(That way nobody feels like they are being singled out)

Before Camp starts...
After Camp ends...
After the fight... & done.

[king khan]

Originally Posted by Overhill

Well, I guess I have to take your word and forget my 19 year experience on the subject.

You're a professional boxer who has used steroids?

How did they help you? When you stopped for 6 months, did you still have the increased red blood cell count, and stamina?



I'm sure you have a lot of knowledge on steroids, in regards to lifting weights, and GAINING MUSCLE MASS. . But that's not the reason why most boxers take steroids. . .

They use them for faster recovery times, and increased oxygen intake from the creation of excess red blood cells - in layman's terms - they get better stamina.

I used to be into the weight lifting scene for 3-4 years. . . And I pondered taking steroids, but one of my friends told me not to because once I cycled off, I wouldn't be able to resist the temptation to keeping cycling because of the drastic difference when you stop using. . .

I don't think either of us really knows much about this issue (as applied to boxing). . . We have examples of boxers who have juiced, and we can look at their performances while "using." Not a one of those boxers was faster, or had more power. . . The only thing you could tell was how they seemed to have increased stamina, which in turn would aid in punch resistance in the mid to later rounds. . .

Just seems like you're trying to pick hairs, and find some crazy exception wherein a boxer "might" still be able to reap the benefits of steroid use. . . Protocol could be addressed to inhibit this. . . But to say that a National Commission with full oversight regarding year round drug testing would not drastically prevent PED use, is silly. . . Lol, I'm sure people owuld start ot pick up when boxer's "retired," and then came back (although I still doubt the lasting benefits of yse 6 months + prior).

[Overhill]

Trust me KK, you prefer to fight 100% clean fighter than one that has roided smartly and successfully 6 months earlier in order to beat you.

that's all.

[jawbreaker]

Not if the cost is prohibitive. However, all title fights should have mandatory testing.

[m8te]

if you want the sport to reclaim even a shred of legitimacy in the eyes of hardcore fans, then yes.

[Hatesrats]

Originally Posted by Hatesrats

They should TEST them ALL or NONE at all.
(That way nobody feels like they are being singled out)

Before Camp starts...
After Camp ends...
After the fight... & done.

^This

[Club Fighter]

Why was everybody so opposed to this when Floyd originally proposed it 2 years ago. Back then Mayweather was just a "chicken" who was creating ways to "duck Pacquiao." Now alluvasudden it's just common sense. I don't understand it. Oh well. Maybe people really do hate Mayweather.

[floyd_g.o.a.t]

[iceman71]

Originally Posted by floyd_g.o.a.t

I think there should be a new rule which forces all fighters to take testing all the way until the fight.

Recently Peterson had been caught and now that Berto has been found, I think serious action has to take place.

For those that disagree, do explain why?

yeah try enforcing this "rule" that covers all this extra testing for ALL COUNTRIES WORLDWIDE for title fights just with the 4 major ones (WBO, WBA, IBF, WBC) which is impossible and never will happen, but if it did in some perfect world, you would have clean fighters that fight for corrupt ABC organizations in front of incompetent judges and garbage referees making hair trigger calls on mega million dollar fights or just trying to show how in charge they are. yeah, cool story though

[floyd_g.o.a.t]

All you pactards can join in now seeing as you were too afraid before because the poll was public

[BUMPY KNUCKLES]

Yeah absolutely they should.

[Elite]

Yes.