Victor Ortiz, Heart or Head, which is the bigger problem?

6'4south · 06-25-2012, 06:40 AM

A lot has been made of Ortiz not wanting to continue fighting this past Saturday night, due to a broken jaw he suffered early in the fight. My question is simple is it his head or heart that's his biggest problem? Personally I think it's his head, but what do you think?

Shotty73195 · 06-25-2012, 07:06 AM

His interviews say it all lol

Smokin' Joe · 06-25-2012, 08:36 AM

Glass brain, without a doubt. He has some heart, he showed that against Berto. Just makes incredible stupid decisions in the ring. From his point of view, he's already got a few losses on his resume so another isn't a big deal, he's young and can work his way back up again. I guess he's thinking there's no point ending up seriously damaged in a fight like that when he's still got a relatively long future in the game. Most fighters would have too much pride to quit like that, but I suppose he thought he was doing the wise thing.

Vantage_West · 06-25-2012, 08:48 AM

i dont think there was anybody in his corner who was saying something along the lines "it's ok vic you have this fight won on the cards, it's only an extra 9 mins. just run kid, and keep covered." "you've got a broken jaw however you slice it, if you quit now you still have it. stopping this now wont repair your jaw. its done it's happend now lets gets back to the backfoot"

he looked like he was the head of his own corner. and in his own mind made the "smart decision"

Uncle Rico · 06-25-2012, 08:54 AM

His head is definitely his main liability. Not entirely sure about his heart, though.

Mind you, the two aren't exactly mutally exclusive.

The Guvnor · 06-25-2012, 08:56 AM

his head, it keeps running into punches.

Str8ryte · 06-25-2012, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by 6'4south

A lot has been made of Ortiz not wanting to continue fighting this past Saturday night, due to a broken jaw he suffered early in the fight. My question is simple is it his head or heart that's his biggest problem? Personally I think it's his head, but what do you think?

Did you even watch the fight?

Hatesrats · 06-25-2012, 10:27 AM

Bad matchmaking.

|A|C|S| · 06-25-2012, 10:29 AM

Both

Flexb · 06-25-2012, 10:34 AM

Try bad luck. Sucker punched then broke jaw. Tough last year for him

Vidic · 06-25-2012, 10:37 AM

A lot of boxers may have done the same thing, Quitali for example.

6'4south · 06-25-2012, 11:03 AM

@str8ryte

Yes I did, why?

Boxing Fanatic · 06-25-2012, 11:07 AM

without his head the heart dont mean nothing

KERRIGAN · 06-25-2012, 11:28 AM

Will Oscar continue to give Ortiz, headjobs?

biglemon · 06-25-2012, 11:31 AM

Both hes awful.

06-25-2012, 06:40 AM	#1
6'4south Gatekeeper ESB Full Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 367 vCash: 500	Victor Ortiz, Heart or Head, which is the bigger problem? A lot has been made of Ortiz not wanting to continue fighting this past Saturday night, due to a broken jaw he suffered early in the fight. My question is simple is it his head or heart that's his biggest problem? Personally I think it's his head, but what do you think?
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Shotty73195 Gatekeeper ESB Full Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 352 vCash: 833	Re: Victor Ortiz, Heart or Head, which is the bigger problem? His interviews say it all lol
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Smokin' Joe ~ Dinamita Irlandés ~ East Side Guru Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 6,094 vCash: 1276	Re: Victor Ortiz, Heart or Head, which is the bigger problem? Glass brain, without a doubt. He has some heart, he showed that against Berto. Just makes incredible stupid decisions in the ring. From his point of view, he's already got a few losses on his resume so another isn't a big deal, he's young and can work his way back up again. I guess he's thinking there's no point ending up seriously damaged in a fight like that when he's still got a relatively long future in the game. Most fighters would have too much pride to quit like that, but I suppose he thought he was doing the wise thing.
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Vantage_West ヒップホップ·プロデューサー East Side Guru Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: 黒人文化の恋人のサンプリ Posts: 9,994 vCash: 1500	Re: Victor Ortiz, Heart or Head, which is the bigger problem? i dont think there was anybody in his corner who was saying something along the lines "it's ok vic you have this fight won on the cards, it's only an extra 9 mins. just run kid, and keep covered." "you've got a broken jaw however you slice it, if you quit now you still have it. stopping this now wont repair your jaw. its done it's happend now lets gets back to the backfoot" he looked like he was the head of his own corner. and in his own mind made the "smart decision"
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