My top 10 Heavyweights of all time.

[tommygun711]

Yeah I was smoking a j and thought it would be funny to post a ridiculous list. My actual list:

1. Ali
2. Louis
3. Holmes
4. Johnson
5. Lewis
6. Tyson
7. Liston
8. Foreman
9. Frazier
10. Holyfield

[turbotime]

Originally Posted by tommygun711

Yeah I was smoking a j and thought it would be funny to post a ridiculous list. My actual list:

1. Ali
2. Louis
3. Holmes
4. Johnson
5. Lewis
6. Tyson
7. Liston
8. Foreman
9. Frazier
10. Holyfield

No Marciano

[Hookie]

Let's look at some stats just for fun:

The Most-

Wins in HW World Title Fights... 26, Joe Louis

Successful HW World Title Defenses... 25, Joe Louis

HW World Title Reigns (Lineal)... 3, Muhammad Ali

HW World Title Reigns... 4, Evander Holyfield (5 if you count the WBF)

Wins over fighters who were Lineal HW World Champs... 8, Evander Holyfield (and 1 draw)

Wins over fighters who held an IBF, WBA, WBC, WBO, or Lineal HW World Title... 13, Evander Holyfield (and 2 draws)

Pro wins by a HW Champ... 96, Ezzard Charles (he is also the only HW Champ who was undefeated as an amateur, 42-0)

Wins without a loss by a HW Champ... 49, Rocky Marciano (he also has the highest KO% of any HW Champ, 87.76%)

The only HW Champs (Lineal) who were never stopped... Tunney, Marciano, and Bowe.

[Hookie]

HW Champs who beat or drew with every fighter they faced at least once-

Tunney, Marciano, Bowe, and Lewis... they combine for 4 losses, 5 draws, and over 200 wins

Povetkin is undefeated but not considered the true HW Champ.

[tommygun711]

Originally Posted by turbotime

No Marciano

who would you swap him out for in my list? maybe frazier or holyfield, but in my opinion they are superior in H2H and resume

[Hands of Iron]

Holyfield's resume is outstanding. It's the losses that hurt.

[turbotime]

Originally Posted by tommygun711

who would you swap him out for in my list? maybe frazier or holyfield, but in my opinion they are superior in H2H and resume

Liston or Tyson. Pretty good overall though.

[turbotime]

Originally Posted by Hands of Iron

Holyfield's resume is outstanding. It's the losses that hurt.

That Moorer loss was ugly as hell.

[Webbiano]

Originally Posted by tommygun711

who would you swap him out for in my list? maybe frazier or holyfield, but in my opinion they are superior in H2H and resume

For Liston. Then Tyson behind Holyfield and you've got a alright list.

[Hands of Iron]

Originally Posted by turbotime

That Moorer loss was ugly as hell.

He wasn't right, that's for certain.

[Legend X]

Originally Posted by orriray59

Yes. Jack Dempsey with his enthralling wins over Willard, Firpo and Gibbons certainly outranks wins over Liston, Foreman and Frazier.

I'm not sure what that has to do with what I said.

I don't understand that mentality. Ali not even in the top 3?

Like I said, Lennox Lewis at #3 seems to high to me.
smitty would have Ali in the top 3 if he bumped Lewis down (or Louis or Dempsey).

[orriray59]

I'm not sure what that has to do with what I said.

He ranked Dempsey over Ali. I was talking about that, not you.

Like I said, Lennox Lewis at #3 seems to high to me.
smitty would have Ali in the top 3 if he bumped Lewis down (or Louis or Dempsey).

Still though, you think Ali is only the third best heavyweight of all time? I don't mind that much if he is #2, but then when the #1 alternatively is Jack Dempsey there's a problem.

[Legend X]

Originally Posted by orriray59

He ranked Dempsey over Ali. I was talking about that, not you.





Still though, you think Ali is only the third best heavyweight of all time? I don't mind that much if he is #2, but then when the #1 alternatively is Jack Dempsey there's a problem.

I don't care too much, tbh.
If someone had Ali as #5 it would be okay with me too. Of course, Ali at #1 is a great shout too.

I can't fault smitty's list much at all. I feel Lennox is a little overrated, just like you think Dempsey is overrated. Then again, Lewis was a great fighter and perhaps I should give him more credit.

[ironchamp]

Originally Posted by tommygun711

who would you swap him out for in my list? maybe frazier or holyfield, but in my opinion they are superior in H2H and resume

Swap him for Liston.

[tommygun711]

Originally Posted by ironchamp

Swap him for Liston.

Liston would've smashed Marciano and doesn't have the same resume as Liston so i don't see that