Only 25% of Jimmy Wilde's opposition had winning records

[Drew101]

Originally Posted by PugilisticPower

Hopkins bought new age training methods into his gym regime, he was never afraid to learn from the new school to supplement the old school - his nutrition standards and the way he goes about his vitamin stack is completely new school and cutting edge. He even trains MMA techniques these days to add something new to his routine. The fact that he himself considered himself fitter and a better fighter at 42 than he was at 32 should tell you something about the advances in the sport during his time - he's the poster child for that.

George Foreman for instance in his return worked new age training methods, had new age nutrition and discipline and constructed a fight plan that suited his heavy punch but slow movement.

So realistically? Hopkins is a prime example of why new beats old - no one has ever had the longevity in the sport he has had in terms of coming into almost a second prime in his early to mid 40s.

Archie Moore...?

The Old Mongoose was arguably at his best from 1951 to 1954, when he lost only once in approximately sixty fights and avenged it a number of times over. He also used some different diets and training techniques...But like Hopkins, another key reason for his success was the in-ring technique that he had perfected through multiple years of combat. In many ways, what Moore did past the age of 37 was even more incredible, because he was fighting up to 12 times a year even in the later stages of his career.

The fact that Hopkins did what he did doesn't diminish what Moore did...or vice versa. Time and place for everything in this sport.

[Royal-T-Bag]

You're full of shit! I have never seen Jimmy Wilde ranked in anyones top 10.

To answer your real question YES Jimmy does rank significantly higher than both Klits you nuthugging biatch

Also you have to take into consideration the era.....you don't compare them based on what jimmy wilde from 1911 would do against Miguel Canto of the late 70's.

you have to take the scientific, training and strategy advances into consideration. For instance if Wlad came up in the old days and fought in 1930 he wouldn't be the same Wlad you see today, he'd be a Primo carnera. if Carnera had the benefit of todays training/advances he would be a much better fighter than he was in the 30's. All you can do is judge them vs the greats of their own eras and base your ranking on that.

[Slyk]

^You are a moron.

Wlad has more talent in one hand than Primo Carnera has in his whole body. Have you actually watched the guy fight? He is tall, Wladimir is tall. That's where the similarities end. You clearly don't know what you're talking about if you think a mediocre at best fighter such as PRIMO CARNERA would be as successful as Wladimir if he was born in the 70's.

Really that's one of the dumbest posts I've read in a while.

[Drew101]

Originally Posted by Slyk

^You are a moron.

Wlad has more talent in one hand than Primo Carnera has in his whole body. Have you actually watched the guy fight? He is tall, Wladimir is tall. That's where the similarities end. You clearly don't know what you're talking about if you think a mediocre at best fighter such as PRIMO CARNERA would be as successful as Wladimir if he was born in the 70's.

Really that's one of the dumbest posts I've read in a while.

He'd probably be at least as successful as SNV, though.

[rorschach51]

Originally Posted by Slyk

A legacy built on unverified records? Sounds pretty solid to me.

Where all the brittards at?

I can honestly say I've never heard anyone have Wilde in their top 10, personally I don't have him in my top 10. Having said all that you are clearly a douche-bag troll, and I'll be adding you to my ignore list. Greatest option of the ESB forums.

[rorschach51]

Originally Posted by H .

Ah, Jimmy Wilde
Number 18 in Bert Sugar's 100 greatest boxers.
interesting read if anyone is curious

I've read it several times, very good book although I don't agree with a lot of his placement. That and he was really bad at using the same analogies, puns, jokes over and over again, several times each in the same and even multiple books.

[Vsec]

Originally Posted by FelixTrinidad

Ok Got you. So 'prime Lewis' was 1996 right?

So Vitali fought 2004 Version of Lewis

Thank you for verifying what everyone already knew.

Shot to shit 8 years past prime Lewis tko6 Vitali

oh shit

[Vsec]

Originally Posted by PugilisticPower

The fact that he himself considered himself fitter and a better fighter at 42 than he was at 32 should tell you something about the advances in the sport during his time - he's the poster child for that.

hopkins has also gone on record to say the fighters of old are better than the fighters of today.

as far as him being better in his 40s than his early 30s...i recommend watching hopkins vs an undefeated glen johnson. its the only time johnson's been stopped in his whole career.

[PIPO23]

Originally Posted by PugilisticPower

Kid Gavilan with his bolo punches, yeah, they'd land today right?

George Foreman with his head down, hands down, walking forward with looping punches. Yeah, that'd work today when he's not the only 6'4, 230lb fighter available.

Face facts, the passing of time makes you think fighters of yester-year are better than fighters of today, completely contradictory to every other sport within the world, every other athletic activity, every other technique based thing with photo/video analysis.


"But the old pros were taught better" - no they weren't, the old pros weren't competing against Soviet and Cuban fighters, basically.

Bolo punch was invented by Ceferino Garcia. Fck out ah here with that Gavilan BS.

Damn, bruh. Wilde got hit flush in round 2 and got KTFO by Villa. He should of protested cause he was gonna get KTFO it was just a matter of time.

[turbotime]

The last 6 or so pages really has the feel of a Classic forum thread. If everyone who posted in the Classic forum looked like this:

http://www.lethalwrestling.com/le/cs...ass/Retard.jpg

[Royal-T-Bag]

Originally Posted by Slyk

^You are a moron.

Wlad has more talent in one hand than Primo Carnera has in his whole body. Have you actually watched the guy fight? He is tall, Wladimir is tall. That's where the similarities end. You clearly don't know what you're talking about if you think a mediocre at best fighter such as PRIMO CARNERA would be as successful as Wladimir if he was born in the 70's.

Really that's one of the dumbest posts I've read in a while.

You didn't even read what I wrote you nuthugging faggot. Your love for Wlads dick has you so blind and infatuated that you're inventing things.

I said he would be a much better fighter if he was born in the 70's and given the same training as Wlad, nowhere did I say he would be as good. Do you even watch boxing or just organize circle jerks with your fellow Klansmen when Wlad fights??

[Slyk]

^why do you keep bringing up homosexual stuff? Got something on you mind?

[orriray59]

Originally Posted by PugilisticPower

If it's about their accomplishments during their time then there is no argument that guys like Manny Pacquaio and Floyd Mayweather Jr are the greatest boxers of all time due to their rise through various ranks and the amount of championships they've held within the current environment.

Or a guy like Bernard Hopkins or Calzaghe due to their longevity in the sport and record setting title defense streaks and the fact that they were "the man" in their division for ten or so years.

Nevermind.

[brnxhands]

yeah. they are so uneducated. if they posted close to 5000 times in a month an had a closet cross dresser as their avatar their opinion would mean much more

Originally Posted by turbotime

The last 6 or so pages really has the feel of a Classic forum thread. If everyone who posted in the Classic forum looked like this:

http://www.lethalwrestling.com/le/cs...ass/Retard.jpg