SRR vs Winky Classic vs Modern who wins and why?

[Big George]

The guy was 20 years into his career at 154lbs! Jesus!!

[tliang1000]

Originally Posted by m8te

if you dont think srr has one punch ko power at 160 then you've never seen him fight, and thus, you cant really comment on this fantasy matchup.

Never saw too much of SRR given i wasnt born yet. Did see clips and made an educated guess. However, According to Boxrec does support my assumption by more than 70%

[m8te]

Originally Posted by tliang1000

Never saw too much of SRR given i was born yet. Did see clips and made an educated guess. However, According to Boxrec though supported my assumption by more than 70%

what are you talking about? it supported your assumption by more than 70 percent? what does that even mean? outside of the fact that you have zero basis to even claim that srr would lose to winky wright because you've seen 'clips' and made an 'educated guess' (which isn't educated in the slightest), you also have no basis to say he doesnt have knockout power at 160, considering that he knocked out multiple iron chinned fighters throughout his middleweight tenure, with one punch.

what are you saying? come on man, you dont know what you're talking about. stick to what you know.

[Big George]

Originally Posted by tliang1000

Never saw too much of SRR given i was born yet. Did see clips and made an educated guess. However, According to Boxrec though supported my assumption by more than 70%

What are you kidding me? Kid you don't have a fucking clue!

Maybe that's why you came with this thread in the 1st place!

[Pimp C]

Originally Posted by SJS19

More than happy to elaborate fine Sir. Glad I'm being given the chance to, rather than being immediately dismissed as a no nothing muppet.

First, I'll stress that I have him as a slight favourite.

The only fighter I rate above Wright in a H2H sense at 154lbs is Tommy Hearns. In this hypothetical match up, Wright is a MUCH bigger man. Ray would weigh what? 160 come fight night? Winky Wright would be about 170. (I'm assuming that we're fighting under modern rules. Otherwise a de-hydrated Winky would lose.)

I see Wright's style being ideal for him to impose a superior size and strength advantage over SRR. Every time Winky landed a jab, it'd move Ray. (Not hurt him, move him. If you've ever sparred someone bigger than you, you'll understand the difference between being moved by physical power, and by weight.)

Wright's timing and reach advantage give him a base to build from. Vital as he's taking on a much more complete fighter than himself. As evidenced in his Vargas and Taylor fights, Wright had a tendancy to fight rather than Box, when he felt he had a point to prove. That'd be so stupid for him to do here, he should stick behind that jab.)

Not sure i've conveyed this well, but I think Winky has the size, strength, timing and accuracy to keep himself in this fight, at this weight. I see it as a 60/40 matchup, for Winky Wright.

I disagree but props to you for actually breaking it down like you see it. Better than most can do.

[tliang1000]

Originally Posted by m8te

what are you talking about? it supported your assumption by more than 70 percent? what does that even mean? outside of the fact that you have zero basis to even claim that srr would lose to winky wright because you've seen 'clips' and made an 'educated guess' (which isn't educated in the slightest), you also have no basis to say he doesnt have knockout power at 160, considering that he knocked out multiple iron chinned fighters throughout his middleweight tenure, with one punch.

what are you saying? come on man, you dont know what you're talking about. stick to what you know.

Go look at Box rec and you will see massive amount of fights at 160 and majority wins by SRR at 160 is by decision...... So basically if he indeed have one punch ko then there should be more fights by KO than decision. Right right?

[SJS19]

Originally Posted by m8te

what are you talking about? it supported your assumption by more than 70 percent? what does that even mean? outside of the fact that you have zero basis to even claim that srr would lose to winky wright because you've seen 'clips' and made an 'educated guess' (which isn't educated in the slightest), you also have no basis to say he doesnt have knockout power at 160, considering that he knocked out multiple iron chinned fighters throughout his middleweight tenure, with one punch.

what are you saying? come on man, you dont know what you're talking about. stick to what you know.

His guess isn't educated, because it's different to your own?

Originally Posted by Pimp C

I disagree but props to you for actually breaking it down like you see it. Better than most can do.

Thanks. Been trolling for months, time to start actually posting again.

Boxing is subjective, that's the beauty of it mate.

[m8te]

Originally Posted by tliang1000

Go look at Box rec and you will see massive amount of fights at 160 and majority wins by SRR at 160 is by decision...... So basically if he indeed have one punch ko then there should be more fights by KO than decision. Right right?

no, simply put, no. having one punch KO power isnt dictated by the amount of KO's you have on your ledger, unless it's some drastic lack of knockouts. having one punch KO power is dictated by whether you can end a fight with one punch or not, against fighters with good chins. SRR did that on multiple occassions against fighters with reportedly great chins.

[m8te]

Originally Posted by SJS19

His guess isn't educated, because it's different to your own?

are you questioning me, because my opinion regarding the most likely outcome of that fight, contrasts yours? I dont think you can make an educated guess based solely on fight clips. I couldn't care less if you agree with that or not. the moment he gave an opinion on the outcome of that fight, having only viewed clips of the great Sugar Ray Robinson, and decided to post these facts, all credibility he had was lost.

[WhataRock]

Originally Posted by SJS19

His guess isn't educated, because it's different to your own?

Saying Robinson has not got one punch KO power at 160 seals the deal there.

At least you came up with a semi-plausible scenario.

[tliang1000]

Originally Posted by m8te

are you questioning me, because my opinion regarding the most likely outcome of that fight, contrasts yours? I dont think you can make an educated guess based solely on fight clips. I couldn't care less if you agree with that or not. the moment he gave an opinion on the outcome of that fight, having only viewed clips of the great Sugar Ray Robinson, and decided to post these facts, all credibility he had was lost.

LOL, i don't need to see full length fights to know whats going on man. How do historians and scientists figure things out?

Records, stats.

All these sharp punching that you say that SRR is capable of doing should and would've nabbed him a lot of KOs than decisions at 160. It doesn't take a rocket scientists to know what is real and whats exagerated.

[m8te]

Originally Posted by tliang1000

LOL, i don't need to see clips to know whats going on man. How do historians and scientists figure things out?

Records, stats.

not in boxing...you're hopeless

[turbotime]

Ray would need a few right hands to the body and that's all she wrote. Hell, green as hell Vargas was able to give him a go on the inside, and Wright has little power that Ray would laugh at. Wright would be pressured, and stopped, no doubt in my mind.

[m8te]

by the way tliang, your original post is all I plan on reponding to in detail. everything you edited into it is fluff nonsense, every word.

[tliang1000]

Originally Posted by m8te

not in boxing...you're hopeless

I guess they made some typos on SRR record.