My top 10 Heavyweights of all time.

[Hands of Iron]

Originally Posted by PetethePrince

Personally not a fan of his opinions and writings but I respect the efforts he puts into his lists and skill rankings chart. Certainly agree with him on his Foreman quote, though.

Honestly Pete, does a lot of that have to do with Frazier barely scraping his top ten and the ridiculous exclusion of Marciano? His skills chart is original and cool, although the 'heart' rating for Tyson is preposterously low and the only way to push him lower.

[Pachilles]

1) Muhammad Ali

2) Joe Louis

3) Lennox Lewis

4) George Foreman
5) Rocky Marciano
6) Mike Tyson
7) Larry Holmes

Joe Frazier
9) Sonny Liston
10) Evander Holyfield

[Webbiano]

Originally Posted by Hands of Iron

Honestly Pete, does a lot of that have to do with Frazier barely scraping his top ten and the ridiculous exclusion of Marciano? His skills chart is original and cool, although the 'heart' rating for Tyson is preposterously low and the only way to push him lower.

... You gotta be shorten me ?

[Seamus]

Originally Posted by Pachilles

1) Muhammad Ali

2) Joe Louis

3) Lennox Lewis

4) George Foreman
5) Rocky Marciano
6) Mike Tyson
7) Larry Holmes

Joe Frazier
9) Sonny Liston
10) Evander Holyfield

That's a goddamned strong list. On any given day, that could be mine exactly.

[Hands of Iron]

Originally Posted by Webbiano

... You gotta be shorten me ?

You don't think Marciano is worthy of the top ten? Cox doesn't include him and cites opposition. Yet, Dempsey is comfortably present.

[Webbiano]

Originally Posted by Hands of Iron

You don't think Marciano is worthy of the top ten? Cox doesn't include him and cites opposition. Yet, Dempsey is comfortably present.

I meant it in the sense that he didn't have him in his top 10. Marciano has been as high as 5 recently in my lists (previously at 3) and it is disgusting that someone wouldn't have him in the top 10. Dempsey on the other had can eat my dick and I'd rather see Tunney in there over him. That Conx's list sounds about as bullshit as Burt Sugars's

[Hands of Iron]

Cox's most recent:

01. Louis
02. Ali
03. Foreman
04. Holmes
05. Liston
06. Lewis
07. Tyson
08. Dempsey
09. Frazier
10. Johnson

[Webbiano]

Originally Posted by Hands of Iron

Cox's most recent:

01. Louis
02. Ali
03. Foreman
04. Holmes
05. Liston
06. Lewis
07. Tyson
08. Dempsey
09. Frazier
10. Johnson

That's not too bad, but there's some dramatic ratings in there in my eyes, gonna re do my list fiht now infact

1. Ali
2. Louis
3. Foreman
4. Holmes
5. Lewis
6. Marciano
7. Johnson
8. Frazier
9. Holyfield
10. Tyson

Normally I have Johnson 3-4 places higher, but I'll admit his resume is pretty weak. He was still years ahead of his time though and woulda beaten every heavyweight prime for prime up to Louis IMO, maybe Schmelling.

[Hands of Iron]

I used to have Foreman at No. 3 - and would probably still put him as high as five. He's got the demolitions of Frazier and Norton, and winning the title back 20 years after losing it in Zaire. Remarkable, though pretty much the entirety of his case. Lewis, Holmes, Tyson, Holyfield all about double him up in terms of beating world-rated heavyweights. The former three all had better title reigns, while Holy's top wins give him a run.

[ETM]

1a. Muhammad Ali
1b. Joe Louis

3. Larry Holmes
4. Jack Johnson
5. Lennox Lewis
6. Evander Holyfield
7. George Foreman
8. Joe Frazier
9. Mike Tyson
10. Rocky Marciano

My list wasnt based on H2H. Rather legacy, title reign, longevity and accomplishment/quality of opp.

[ETM]

Originally Posted by KuRuPT

Johnson not in the Top 10 of HW all time... I just can't see that.

Jack Johnson was by far the best heavyweight of his generation. He held the heavyweight championship for 7 years. There wasnt a prayer of anyone beating him so they ran him out of the country. He didnt lose the belt until he was 37 years old.

Im not sure what more he couldve done. Forget heavyweight he was one of the greatest boxers ever to lace them up.

[brnxhands]

I dont know how i forgot george lol. He would be somewhere in my top ten im sure. im not big on lists though too many factors. Once you get to 5 in the heavys its harder after that

[Hands of Iron]

Originally Posted by ETM

1a. Muhammad Ali
1b. Joe Louis

3. Larry Holmes
4. Jack Johnson
5. Lennox Lewis
6. Evander Holyfield
7. George Foreman
8. Joe Frazier
9. Mike Tyson
10. Rocky Marciano

My list wasnt based on H2H. Rather legacy, title reign, longevity and accomplishment/quality of opp.

You got Tyson, Holyfield and Holmes in your Top Ten.

That immediately makes it Valid.

[Webbiano]

Originally Posted by ETM

1a. Muhammad Ali
1b. Joe Louis

3. Larry Holmes
4. Jack Johnson
5. Lennox Lewis
6. Evander Holyfield
7. George Foreman
8. Joe Frazier
9. Mike Tyson
10. Rocky Marciano

My list wasnt based on H2H. Rather legacy, title reign, longevity and accomplishment/quality of opp.

I like the fact you don't base a lot of your lists on H2H, personally I try to avoid it as well. Just a thought though, if it's heavily based on accomplishments, surely being the only undefeated heavyweight champion (Marciano) and the oldest heavyweight champion (Foreman) would warrant a higher ranking for both men?