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Old 07-08-2012, 03:37 PM   #91
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I confused the two brothers earlier in my post, but its convenient to focus on that and ignore the fact that Wlad doesn't have any serious boxing opponents on his list...
Yes he does, but it's pointless to list them to the likes of you.
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Old 07-08-2012, 03:39 PM   #92
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Yes, while Wlad has decent speed, Ali is much faster, Wlad's lack of inside fighting ability and body punching would really hurt him, against 67 Ali he loses very wide IMO. Now Against late 30s Ali its a different story, but lack of abilities listed above would hurt him.
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Old 07-08-2012, 03:40 PM   #93
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as i said earlier, a legitimate question is whether wlad would have earned a shot in the era of foreman, frazier, norton et al, an era (just) before multiple belts and ten-a-penny 'world champions'.
Of course he would have, dumbass. Do you even need to ask such a ridiculous question?
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Old 07-08-2012, 03:44 PM   #94
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no Properly as in you are completely butt hurt.
A lot of people criticize this era as a way of demeaning Wlads reign as he has been so dominant post Steward.
If he was a slick American "G" this would be the greatest era ever according to some of you lot.
This obviously isn't the greatest era ever but given Wlads physical gifts he would be at least competitive in any era.
To say otherwise is either nostalgic or just plain hate
No. I am not hurt by Wlad whatsoever.
This Era is criticized as very well it should be. Stewart himself is very pessimistic about this Era of boxing. The proof is in the records and the tapes. Guys from this Era in the Heavyweight division are by and large super-bums. Thats just how it is.
As far as your American 'G' argument, that falls through aswell. No one is impressed with the field of heavyweights in this Era besides some Wlad fans, and they are delusional.

I'm not saying Wlad can't compete in other eras of boxing, saying he could compete and saying he could beat the GOAT are two totally different things. Wlad's tale of the tape, along with his opponents doesn't support this argument, it never will, no matter how people try to spin it.
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Old 07-08-2012, 03:52 PM   #95
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Beating on a come forward fighter that Adamek looks like Goliath against.
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Old 07-08-2012, 03:52 PM   #96
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Yes he does, but it's pointless to list them to the likes of you.
It is pointless to list them to me, because he doesn't have any.
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Old 07-08-2012, 03:56 PM   #97
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No. I am not hurt by Wlad whatsoever.
This Era is criticized as very well it should be. Stewart himself is very pessimistic about this Era of boxing. The proof is in the records and the tapes. Guys from this Era in the Heavyweight division are by and large super-bums. Thats just how it is.
As far as your American 'G' argument, that falls through aswell. No one is impressed with the field of heavyweights in this Era besides some Wlad fans, and they are delusional.

I'm not saying Wlad can't compete in other eras of boxing, saying he could compete and saying he could beat the GOAT are two totally different things. Wlad's tale of the tape, along with his opponents doesn't support this argument, it never will, no matter how people try to spin it.
Other than the Era of Ali Frazier and Foreman I don't think this era is much worse that any other. It may not be the best either but it isn't massively worse than say Tysons.
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Old 07-08-2012, 03:59 PM   #98
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as i said earlier, a legitimate question is whether wlad would have earned a shot in the era of foreman, frazier, norton et al, an era (just) before multiple belts and ten-a-penny 'world champions'.
LOL You're such a troll it's incredible. Would Wlad have 'earned a shot'? Well look at those C level fighters who did earn a shot in the 70s.

Chuck Wepner, Richard Dunn, Jean-Pierre Coopman... just three of the nobodies who got title shot in the 'greatest era of HW boxing', but Wlad wouldn't is what you're saying?

Wlad would absolutely decapitate each and every one of the 'oh so great' contenders of the 70s including Norton, Frazier and of course B level fighters like Quarry and Bugner wouldn't even land a freaking punch before going down.
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LOL You're such a troll it's incredible. Would Wlad have 'earned a shot'? Well look at those C level fighters who did earn a shot in the 70s.

Chuck Wepner, Richard Dunn, Jean-Pierre Coopman... just three of the nobodies who got title shot in the 'greatest era of HW boxing', but Wlad wouldn't is what you're saying?

Wlad would absolutely decapitate each and every one of the 'oh so great' contenders of the 70s including Norton, Frazier and of course B level fighters like Quarry and Bugner wouldn't even land a freaking punch before going down.


Good post. Although Foreman and Ali would both seriously trouble Wlad for various reasons.
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Beating on a come forward fighter that Adamek looks like Goliath against.
That guy would probably beat Adamek
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LOL You're such a troll it's incredible. Would Wlad have 'earned a shot'? Well look at those C level fighters who did earn a shot in the 70s.

Chuck Wepner, Richard Dunn, Jean-Pierre Coopman... just three of the nobodies who got title shot in the 'greatest era of HW boxing', but Wlad wouldn't is what you're saying?

Wlad would absolutely decapitate each and every one of the 'oh so great' contenders of the 70s including Norton, Frazier and of course B level fighters like Quarry and Bugner wouldn't even land a freaking punch before going down.
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Old 07-08-2012, 04:11 PM   #102
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It is pointless to list them to me, because he doesn't have any.
No, pointless because no matter what anyone does to convince you otherwise, you'll simply label them as bums and no-hopers, whilst lauding the likes of Chuck Wepner and Jean Pierre Coopman as legitimate and worthwhile title challengers.
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That guy would probably beat Adamek
These guys are all letting a few extra inches in height go to there heads.
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Other than the Era of Ali Frazier and Foreman I don't think this era is much worse that any other. It may not be the best either but it isn't massively worse than say Tysons.
Honestly Aside from the Klits who in this era was even decent? Rahman, Ruiz and Byrd weren't bad in their day BUT they were old in this era, Adamek and Haye who were good but NOT great fighters, moved up and were instantly better than everyone not named klitchco, this is a very bad era in my opinion, As far as the Klits go I don't think they are bums by any stretch but I do believe they are a notch below some of the past ATGs, not their fault at all but watching guys like Stiverne become top contenders says it all.
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Beating on a come forward fighter that Adamek looks like Goliath against.
Every fighter was a come forward fighter against Prime Ali. Size won't help you against him. "Your hands can't hit what your eyes can't see." Prime Ali would exchange when he wanted to exchange. I like Wlad but the only chance he has against Prime Ali is a puncher's chance.
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