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Old 07-09-2012, 06:22 AM   #136
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damn i wish there was an Ali of this era.


that would be a dream fight.
Too risky, wish for Prime Lennox.

That will be 90-10 Lewis knocking out Wlad.

Ali might be 60-40 in favor of Ali
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Old 07-09-2012, 06:27 AM   #137
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I'll give you Foreman as a puncher, but remember he was only 6'3" 220 in his prime, and not as fast or fluid as Wlad. Lyle? He had a 60% KO ratio. Shavers had a 76% KO ratio. Wladimir has an 83% KO ratio.

Keep in mind that Shavers was all of 6' and 205-210lbs in his prime, Lyle 6'3" and 215. Even Bugner was only 6'4" and 220. That simply isn't the same a 6'6" and 240-250, especially when Wladimir is more physically talented and more skilled then any of the above mentioned three fighters. Furthermore, as to Wlad's chin versus Ali's chin, keep in mind that Ali was often the bigger man in the ring but only managed a 57% KO ratio, so I just do not see his punching power being the deciding factor in a fighter versus an elite super heavy. Also remember that the average heavy today is in the 225-235 range, much bigger than Ali's time.
This does not make sense, I was not suggesting Ali's power would be too much for Wlad. Ali's chin is proven, Wlad's is not. I just think mentally Wlad is not prepared for such an opponent, when he's been down he's either TKO'd or Ret he has never shown the will, courage, heart and character to get back up and win the fight. This is where I think he fails.
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Old 07-09-2012, 06:34 AM   #138
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Honestly Aside from the Klits who in this era was even decent? Rahman, Ruiz and Byrd weren't bad in their day BUT they were old in this era, Adamek and Haye who were good but NOT great fighters, moved up and were instantly better than everyone not named klitchco, this is a very bad era in my opinion, As far as the Klits go I don't think they are bums by any stretch but I do believe they are a notch below some of the past ATGs, not their fault at all but watching guys like Stiverne become top contenders says it all.
Off the top of my head Tyson beat up Spinks a former light heavyweight for a title and was beaten by a former cruiser. named Holyfield who stepped up and immediately was one of the best in the division...

Didn't foreman come back in his 40s and win the heavy weight title.
Like I said I dont believe this era is much worse than any era except for the golden era of Ali, Fraiser and Foreman. As I proved above you can pick apart any heavyweight era has stuff like what is happening today.
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Old 07-09-2012, 07:22 AM   #139
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Too risky, wish for Prime Lennox.

That will be 90-10 Lewis knocking out Wlad.

Ali might be 60-40 in favor of Ali
Only by people who DKSAB.

Wlad is tailor made for an Ali ass whipping. If Wlad can bleed, he can be stopped. UD and a hospital visit for Wlad.
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Old 07-22-2012, 09:19 AM   #140
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I like the last gif where Ali makes dude punch himself. Classic.
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Old 08-01-2012, 12:02 AM   #141
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I need some HONEST opinion.
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Old 08-01-2012, 12:13 AM   #142
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I need some HONEST opinion.
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Old 08-01-2012, 12:13 AM   #143
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Comparing bugner to wlad? LOL
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Old 08-01-2012, 12:59 AM   #144
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Difficult fight for Ali. Wlad is faster, more agile as the guy Ali fought against in the vid. His power is devastating. I don't think that Foreman was more dangerous or had more power in his punches. Right now I'd say that Wlad is really on top with respect to power punching. Prime Ali was excellent though and would've been able to avoid the KO. If he would've won by points - I don't think so. Prime Lewis would've been the only one out there who would've been a real threat to the current version of Wlad. Vitali is too old now. He'd also not win against Wlad anymore.
Ok when people start saying things like this, it's time to leave the thread. Logic doesn't live here anymore.
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Old 08-01-2012, 01:11 AM   #145
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No he wouldn't. Joe Bugner was no Wlad in power or pedigree but Ali couldn't destroy him and he had two goes at it. Best for Ali is a UD imo.
Bugner's chin was the difference, Wlad doesn't have Bugner's chin.
I actually don't think Ali would be able to stop Wlad, but I think
he's fast enough and punches stiff enough to keep Wlad hurt enough to make him go into a shell and not want to throw, (lets be honest Wlad doesn't like to even throw against the slow plodding guys).
I can envision a late stoppage (maybe) not a blowout, Ali's not that
kind of fighter.
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