Tito Ortiz, where do you rank him in LHW history

Stoo · 05-07-2012, 10:09 AM

With his career coming to a close, where would you rank Tito?

Has wins over Wanderlei, Vitor, Forrest, Ken Shamrock, Guy Mezger, Evan Tanner

How badly do his defeats whilst in his prime to Frank Shamrock (arguable if he was PRIME), Randy & Chuck hurt his legacy?

And how badly do the run of losses at the tail end of his career affect his standing?

Was he just the best in a poor era in the UFC, or is his GNP style underrated?

timmyjames · 05-07-2012, 10:10 AM

#1

He married a porn star sugar mama, and still gets 500k a fight to get beat up for 15 minutes.

Stoo · 05-07-2012, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by timmyjames

#1

He married a porn star sugar mama, and still gets 500k a fight to get beat up for 15 minutes.

He's still relatively competitive for a guy who's been in the game for 15 years, NEARLY got the sub on past contenders in Machida & Evans, and beat up Bader quicker than the current Champ

timmyjames · 05-07-2012, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Stoo

He's still relatively competitive for a guy who's been in the game for 15 years, NEARLY got the sub on past contenders in Machida & Evans, and beat up Bader quicker than the current Champ

i never liked the guy, but he did have some nasty GnP....but, and i know this isn't fair, but i will never NEVER get the image of his big ass bobble head chasing frank shamrock around and losing...he seriously looked like a fairy tail mongoloid giant stumbling around chasing a 12-year-old

Stoo · 05-07-2012, 10:19 AM

I do think the point is fair that he's more famous for his post fight interviews than his compelling fight style.

But to be fair to Tito he was dominating one of the best in the world for a long stretch and never made the same mistake with regards to conditioning as he did against Frank

Maybe his stand up remained 'functional', but his cardio was second to none

Stoo · 07-09-2012, 06:06 AM

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achillesthegreat · 07-09-2012, 06:12 AM

He got injured, got old and despite evolving he didn't quite have the ability or tools to stay legendary into the next era. Just imagine if his triangle stayed locked on Machida, just imagine if his guillotine locked on Evans. Just imagine if he didn't lose the point against Evans the first time. Even against Griffin, he would have big moments but by and large he needed a bit of luck to make up for his lack of ability and tools. I always thought average stamina hurt him because what ability he did have needed to be combined with tenacity.

Nevertheless, he still has the most defences in LHW history and his record still has Ws next to names like Silva, Tanner, Matyushenko, Shamrock, Cote, Belfort and Griffin.

thewinfella · 07-09-2012, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by achillesthegreat

He got injured, got old and despite evolving he didn't quite have the ability or tools to stay legendary into the next era. Just imagine if his triangle stayed locked on Machida, just imagine if his guillotine locked on Evans. Just imagine if he didn't lose the point against Evans the first time. Even against Griffin, he would have big moments but by and large he needed a bit of luck to make up for his lack of ability and tools. I always thought average stamina hurt him because what ability he did have needed to be combined with tenacity.

Nevertheless, he still has the most defences in LHW history and his record still has Ws next to names like Silva, Tanner, Matyushenko, Shamrock, Cote, Belfort and Griffin.

That right there is a dam accurate statement regarding Tito

Stoo · 07-09-2012, 06:50 AM

Good post Achillies, just like to add he nearly beat frank S as well

Deckard · 07-09-2012, 07:21 AM

Outside top 10.

He is shit, limited skillset, at best an average wrestler.

Haggis McJackass · 07-09-2012, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by achillesthegreat

He got injured, got old and despite evolving he didn't quite have the ability or tools to stay legendary into the next era. Just imagine if his triangle stayed locked on Machida, just imagine if his guillotine locked on Evans. Just imagine if he didn't lose the point against Evans the first time. Even against Griffin, he would have big moments but by and large he needed a bit of luck to make up for his lack of ability and tools. I always thought average stamina hurt him because what ability he did have needed to be combined with tenacity.

Nevertheless, he still has the most defences in LHW history and his record still has Ws next to names like Silva, Tanner, Matyushenko, Shamrock, Cote, Belfort and Griffin.

He's one of the top tier though. Even his losses, most of them he was competitive and had his moments where a slightly more athletic ex-champion might have been able to finish the fight.

Kittikasem · 07-09-2012, 10:49 AM

For me, the top of the pack at lhw is (not in any strict order):

Shogun, Jones, Wanderlei, Rampage, Chuck, Hendo

After that, there is the second grouping:

Couture, Machida, Ortiz, Belfort, Evans, etc...

The quality of opponent in Tito's lhw reign is not strong enough to justify him being in the top grouping. The most important thing is the calibre of fighter that guys have beaten, and Tito is not quite on the same level as the top guys IMO.

Kittikasem · 07-09-2012, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Deckard

Outside top 10.

He is shit, limited skillset, at best an average wrestler.

A pretty damning criticism.

Kittikasem · 07-09-2012, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by achillesthegreat

He got injured, got old and despite evolving he didn't quite have the ability or tools to stay legendary into the next era. Just imagine if his triangle stayed locked on Machida, just imagine if his guillotine locked on Evans. Just imagine if he didn't lose the point against Evans the first time. Even against Griffin, he would have big moments but by and large he needed a bit of luck to make up for his lack of ability and tools. I always thought average stamina hurt him because what ability he did have needed to be combined with tenacity.

Nevertheless, he still has the most defences in LHW history and his record still has Ws next to names like Silva, Tanner, Matyushenko, Shamrock, Cote, Belfort and Griffin.

Aren't you effectively just saying "imagine he was a better fighter than he actually was" though?

Stoo · 07-09-2012, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Deckard

Outside top 10.

He is shit, limited skillset, at best an average wrestler.

Harsh, but I wouldnt disagree to be honest.

05-07-2012, 10:09 AM	#1
Stoo RIP T-Dog East Side VIP Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 14,950 vCash: 1000	Tito Ortiz, where do you rank him in LHW history With his career coming to a close, where would you rank Tito? Has wins over Wanderlei, Vitor, Forrest, Ken Shamrock, Guy Mezger, Evan Tanner How badly do his defeats whilst in his prime to Frank Shamrock (arguable if he was PRIME), Randy & Chuck hurt his legacy? And how badly do the run of losses at the tail end of his career affect his standing? Was he just the best in a poor era in the UFC, or is his GNP style underrated?
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timmyjames PTurd curb stomper East Side Guru Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 7,428 vCash: 3111	Re: Tito Ortiz, where do you ranking him in LHW history #1 He married a porn star sugar mama, and still gets 500k a fight to get beat up for 15 minutes.
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05-07-2012, 10:19 AM	#5
Stoo RIP T-Dog East Side VIP Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 14,950 vCash: 1000	Re: Tito Ortiz, where do you rank him in LHW history I do think the point is fair that he's more famous for his post fight interviews than his compelling fight style. But to be fair to Tito he was dominating one of the best in the world for a long stretch and never made the same mistake with regards to conditioning as he did against Frank Maybe his stand up remained 'functional', but his cardio was second to none
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07-09-2012, 06:12 AM	#7
achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 18,202 vCash: 1000	Re: Tito Ortiz, where do you rank him in LHW history He got injured, got old and despite evolving he didn't quite have the ability or tools to stay legendary into the next era. Just imagine if his triangle stayed locked on Machida, just imagine if his guillotine locked on Evans. Just imagine if he didn't lose the point against Evans the first time. Even against Griffin, he would have big moments but by and large he needed a bit of luck to make up for his lack of ability and tools. I always thought average stamina hurt him because what ability he did have needed to be combined with tenacity. Nevertheless, he still has the most defences in LHW history and his record still has Ws next to names like Silva, Tanner, Matyushenko, Shamrock, Cote, Belfort and Griffin.
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07-09-2012, 06:50 AM	#9
Stoo RIP T-Dog East Side VIP Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 14,950 vCash: 1000	Re: Tito Ortiz, where do you rank him in LHW history Good post Achillies, just like to add he nearly beat frank S as well
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07-09-2012, 07:21 AM	#10
Deckard It won't affect the test East Side VIP Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: The Chuch of What's Happening Now Posts: 10,695 vCash: 500	Re: Tito Ortiz, where do you rank him in LHW history Outside top 10. He is shit, limited skillset, at best an average wrestler.
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07-09-2012, 10:49 AM	#12
Kittikasem Andre Ward: #1 SMW Ever ESB Addict Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 2,284 vCash: 500	Re: Tito Ortiz, where do you rank him in LHW history For me, the top of the pack at lhw is (not in any strict order): Shogun, Jones, Wanderlei, Rampage, Chuck, Hendo After that, there is the second grouping: Couture, Machida, Ortiz, Belfort, Evans, etc... The quality of opponent in Tito's lhw reign is not strong enough to justify him being in the top grouping. The most important thing is the calibre of fighter that guys have beaten, and Tito is not quite on the same level as the top guys IMO.
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