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Dempsey 13 22.81%
Johnson 36 63.16%
tough to say 8 14.04%
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Old 07-10-2012, 04:22 PM   #1
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Old 07-10-2012, 04:23 PM   #2
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Default Re: Who Do You Rate Higher: Jack Dempsey or Jack Johnson ??

They're interchangeable. It is very close between them for me.

8-14 is the range I like but I can see them higher.
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Old 07-10-2012, 04:24 PM   #3
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I've got Johnson 3 spots higher.
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Old 07-10-2012, 04:25 PM   #4
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Default Re: Who Do You Rate Higher: Jack Dempsey or Jack Johnson ??

In the past I rated Johnson very high and higher than Dempsey......now ? Iīm not sure anymore.....
They are very close. but I lean towards to Dempsey tbh......he seems better on film IMO, thatīs the main reason to me.
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Old 07-10-2012, 04:26 PM   #5
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I voted tough to say because I'm a *****.
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Johnson and IMO it isn't THAT close... They are both all time greats.. I just happen to believe Johnson Greatness is clearly above that of Dempsey's
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Old 07-10-2012, 04:37 PM   #7
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In terms of resume and historical standing, I would have to say Johnson.
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Old 07-10-2012, 04:58 PM   #8
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Default Re: Who Do You Rate Higher: Jack Dempsey or Jack Johnson ??

Dempsey
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Old 07-10-2012, 06:05 PM   #9
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Default Re: Who Do You Rate Higher: Jack Dempsey or Jack Johnson ??

Johnson.

I'll defer to someone who actually saw them both fight.

Nat Fleischer rated Johnson at #1 and Dempsey #4.

I don't know any better than that.
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Old 07-10-2012, 06:15 PM   #10
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Johnson.

I'll defer to someone who actually saw them both fight.

Nat Fleischer rated Johnson at #1 and Dempsey #4.

I don't know any better than that.
Yeah, but Nat Fleisher also rated Corbett over Louis and Marciano.....
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Old 07-10-2012, 06:17 PM   #11
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Yeah, but Nat Fleisher also rated Corbett over Louis and Marciano.....

He may have been right. I never saw Corbett. Fleischer did.
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He may have been right. I never saw Corbett. Fleischer did.
Oh cīmon.....
Louis was the most dominant fighter of all time in any division....Corbett, with 14 wins in his whole career is clearly not greater than him. Unless he was talking about H2H, which would be hard to argue also because they are all related criterias anyway...but perhaps would make more sense......
Hey, I respect a lot what writers of the old days said....but your argument was just too simple and donīt tell the whole story....
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Old 07-10-2012, 06:51 PM   #13
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Goto be Johnson

Resume - Johnson, fought everyone in his era, albeit maybe not at the right times.
Longevity - Johnson fighting at the top level for 13years
Dominance - both pretty dominant, although Johnson more so, Dempsey has more draw/losses near his prime
H2H - I'd say Johnson is more complete at figuring out different styles

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He may have been right. I never saw Corbett. Fleischer did.
Did he though? Fleischer was 10 when Corbett lost to Fitz, 11 when Corbett lost to Sharkey and 13 when he lost to Jeffries for the first time

If he rated Corbett highly it was based on piecing together history, much like we do
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Old 07-10-2012, 08:23 PM   #14
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I rate Johnson higher.

Both are overrated, in my opinion.
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Old 07-10-2012, 10:42 PM   #15
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Dempsey. I'd argue that many people rate Johnson so high because Fleisher did. Not saying its right or wrong. AP writers or something similar voted Dempsey the best fighter of the first half century.
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