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Old 07-10-2012, 10:03 AM   #31
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You are clearly biased towards Derry if you think he didn't get dominated in the first two rounds mate, I had Crolla a few ahead, but when did I say Crolla dominated the whole fight? Just the first few rounds
Dominated? No, I don't think so. Did he lose them? Yes. But domination is a completely different thing. Hardly got put down and battered from pillar to post did he?

Clutching at straws by making out that 2 rounds of a fight is an indication of Mathews being clearly out-boxed
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Dominated? No, I don't think so. Did he lose them? Yes. But domination is a completely different thing. Hardly got put down and battered from pillar to post did he?

Clutching at straws by making out that 2 rounds of a fight is an indication of Mathews being clearly out-boxed
Matthews was CLEARLY out boxed for the first two! Crolla dominated behind the jab, he couldn't miss, and was blocking pretty much everything.

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And you don't have to be battered from pillow to post to be dominated..
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Old 07-10-2012, 10:16 AM   #33
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Matthews was CLEARLY out boxed for the first two! Crolla dominated behind the jab, he couldn't miss, and was blocking pretty much everything.

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And you don't have to be battered from pillow to post to be dominated..
Ok then I'll go by your logic that 2 rounds of a fight is a good indication of what happened in a fight. Like Mosley dominating Mayweather for example.

Forget Mathews dominating the rest of the fight and putting Crolla down and that because he lost the first 2 rounds
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Old 07-10-2012, 10:26 AM   #34
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Admit it though, you were wrong to say that Rees was miles ahead of Derry and that the fight would not be competitive. He certainly proved that he deserved to be in the ring with Rees, although unfortunately the age old problem of his resistance was his downfall. I stick to my view that skill-wise they are on a par; regarding Murray, skill wise I'd put Derry ahead of John Murray.

However, I'm aware boxing isn't only about your own punches but absorbing others and unfortunately that's where Derry falls short. Rees will move on in levels and fair play to him, whereas Derry will always be held back because of the fact he gets hurt too easily. However, I think his efforts since he has came back show that, despite his chin, he can more than mix with boxers at domestic level.
I said Rees was levels above Derry and I still very much believe that. For me Rees is in between Euro and World level (let's call it fringe world level) and could go on even higher. He hasn't been beaten at LW and I'd give him a decent chance with any LW belt holder (& Abril) at the moment. I think Rees is closer to the title holders than Derry.

As far as "not being competitive" goes those are your words not mine (although I may be wrong ). I didn't expect a complete annihilation but I fully expected a Rees stoppage and it was obviously closer than I thought. And fair play to Derry for that. Rees admitted it was a poor performance from him, not listening etc.

Yet you're completely right in 2nd para'; it doesn't matter really how good you are skill wise if you are pretty vulnerable physically (he certainly isn't mentally). If it was skills alone then Derry would be Euro level, but its not, so he's under that.

I think people are suggesting the fight was a lot closer than it was; mainly because everyone likes Derry's style and personality along with the fact he did better than everyone expected. For me he was a few rounds down and never really hurt Rees.

Yep, skillwise Derry is probably better than Murray but its the whole package (including resistance) and I think Murray would do him.

As for Fana if its for the IBF (as Tony Bellew says) then he might as well go for it; he might get lucky, but for me he'll get stopped again. Otherwise go for Crolla for the vacant British; they're on an evenish playing field in terms of levels.
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Old 07-10-2012, 10:27 AM   #35
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Ok then I'll go by your logic that 2 rounds of a fight is a good indication of what happened in a fight. Like Mosley dominating Mayweather for example.

Forget Mathews dominating the rest of the fight and putting Crolla down and that because he lost the first 2 rounds
A bit like Rees v Mathews in a way.
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Old 07-10-2012, 10:30 AM   #36
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Ok then I'll go by your logic that 2 rounds of a fight is a good indication of what happened in a fight. Like Mosley dominating Mayweather for example.

Forget Mathews dominating the rest of the fight and putting Crolla down and that because he lost the first 2 rounds
Who said anything about Crolla dominating the rest of the fight For ****s sakes, read my reply to the guy who said Derry has never been out-boxed in a fight, and I stated that he did in the first few rounds against Crolla.....
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Old 07-10-2012, 10:36 AM   #37
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ye i do but if hes getting offered better money am behind him whatever he decides
Maybe not the best quote you could give with a username such as yours.
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Old 07-10-2012, 10:58 AM   #38
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Matthews has given a lot to the sport and to the fans. Seems a real decent guy too. I don't care who he fights, I just hope he bags a few pay days before his body totally gives out on him, he deserves it!

That said, I'd much prefer to seem going toe to toe with the best of Britain. Every fight he's in is a fight of the year contender.
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Old 07-10-2012, 03:57 PM   #39
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Old 07-10-2012, 04:50 PM   #40
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Please dont call WBF a world title, For Christ sake even sweaty Mick wudnt call WBF a world title!!!!
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Old 07-10-2012, 05:08 PM   #41
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so is it not a world governing body regardless of how prestigious it may be?? therefore making it a world title shot
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Old 07-10-2012, 05:19 PM   #42
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If it's for the IBF title go for it Derry!.
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Old 07-11-2012, 05:31 AM   #43
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I have no problem with Derry fighting for the WBF title (let's not call it a World title), boxing is a short career and if he can get more fighting for that than he can in a domestic fight then more power to him. It's just a trinket at the end of the day, but Fana is a decent fighter (former IBF champ at Super Feather) so he certainly wouldn't be picking up the belt from a non-entity. If he wins that then drops it to fight for the British again then what harm's been done?
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Old 07-11-2012, 06:30 AM   #44
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Always liked Derry. Has a big heart but his face is prone to being marked up and being bloodied by one decent shot.
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Old 07-11-2012, 07:03 AM   #45
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Got plenty of bites there i see.

After a poor stoppage like that there should be a rematch simple as that. Crolla will travel to Liverpool, its a good sell. Easy fight to make so why the hell not.

Not taking anything away from Derry, but deep down he knows he got lucky with that stoppage. Most refs would not have stopped that.....fact! 3 SECONDS LEFT IN THE ROUND FFS
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