Deliverance: The 95 Seconds That Saved Lewis' Career.

[frankenfrank]

Originally Posted by young griffo

I think everyone is aware about Lewis pulling Grants head into that uppercut. Yes it's an illegal punch (he did the same thing when he had Bruno hurt as well) and he didn't need to do it because Grant was already done. Lewis got away with a bit of rough housing in this fight but that says more about Arthur Mercante Jnr's ineptitude as a ref than anything else. That said Grant was dropped twice heavily in the first from legitimate punchers and he was badly exposed by Lewis in this fight so it wasn't like he was robbed of a win or something.

And speaking of doing the board a favour why don't you start posting using legible spelling and grammar. Your posts are like reading an SMS message from hell.

What do u know ? i actually live in hell . and post from here/there .

Regarding Grant vs Lewis , even if Lewis happened 2 make a (very) few legal moves , it was just him capitalizing on his illegal moves . That fight means nothing 2 me , and Lewis did not beat Grant . However , with a dirty fighter like Big Frank , while i don't remember that fight as a dirty fight , even if Lewis fouled , then I still recognize it as a good win 4 him .

[young griffo]

Originally Posted by frankenfrank

What do u know ? i actually live in hell . and post from here/there .

Regarding Grant vs Lewis , even if Lewis happened 2 make a (very) few legal moves , it was just him capitalizing on his illegal moves . That fight means nothing 2 me , and Lewis did not beat Grant . However , with a dirty fighter like Big Frank , while i don't remember that fight as a dirty fight , even if Lewis fouled , then I still recognize it as a good win 4 him .

What's the weather like there? Warm?

Any way why do you always bang on about dirty fighters and fouls and whatnot?

Boxing is a physical,contact sport where the name of the game is to render an opponent unconcious or at worst beat them badly enough so the judges can clearly score you winning the fight.

Sometimes the rules are intentionally or unintentionally bent to achieve those ends. So what? If the referee deems it within the rules then it is and you constant bitching about fighters being dirty wont ever alter that.

Try just enjoying the contest between the fighters instead of analyzing for any real or imagined fouls like you seem to do ad nauseum. If you can't do that then there is always Golf or Tennis that might be a lot more appealing to an obviously sensitive individual like yourself.

[frankenfrank]

Originally Posted by young griffo

What's the weather like there? Warm?

Any way why do you always bang on about dirty fighters and fouls and whatnot?

Boxing is a physical,contact sport where the name of the game is to render an opponent unconcious or at worst beat them badly enough so the judges can clearly score you winning the fight.

Sometimes the rules are intentionally or unintentionally bent to achieve those ends. So what? If the referee deems it within the rules then it is and you constant bitching about fighters being dirty wont ever alter that.

Try just enjoying the contest between the fighters instead of analyzing for any real or imagined fouls like you seem to do ad nauseum. If you can't do that then there is always Golf or Tennis that might be a lot more appealing to an obviously sensitive individual like yourself.

warm as hell .
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[young griffo]

Nah wrestling doesn't do much for me, men in tights you understand.

But why do you think you can accuse fighters of constant and excessive fouling and then pick and choose what wins do and don't count according to the fighters previous history of dirty fighting?

It just seems very arbitrary to me and shows a lack of either understanding between intentional and unintentional fouls or a certain unflexibility as to the rules of boxing (which due to the nature of the sport are interpretive anyway).

I mean Lewis for sure did some dirty things against Grant and Bruno but in general he fought within the rules and won with his size, ability and power without resorting to cheating more often than not. Guys like Holyfield and Duran were similar in that regard by clearly transgressing the rules on occasion but I don't think it's fair to classify them or anyone as a cheat for not being squeaky clean their entire careers either.

[frankenfrank]

Originally Posted by young griffo

Nah wrestling doesn't do much for me, men in tights you understand.

barely . Had it been 4eal , it wouldn't have bothered me .
So maybe ultimate surrender is d thing 4u ?

Originally Posted by young griffo

But why do you think you can accuse fighters of constant and excessive fouling and then pick and choose what wins do and don't count according to the fighters previous history of dirty fighting?

Because when a fighter's style is based on fouling , his opponent can not b accused 4 accommodating , which maybe is what Holyfield did vs Tyson .

Originally Posted by young griffo

It just seems very arbitrary to me and shows a lack of either understanding between intentional and unintentional fouls or a certain unflexibility as to the rules of boxing (which due to the nature of the sport are interpretive anyway).

I don't care as much as u do about intention as its somewhat open 4 opinion , points of view , etc .
When d damage is done what matters d most is 2 stop d fight immediately so d outcome wouldn't b able 2b Xcused by d damage . So injustice will b minimized and credit will b more frequent .

Originally Posted by young griffo

I mean Lewis for sure did some dirty things against Grant and Bruno but in general he fought within the rules and won with his size, ability and power without resorting to cheating more often than not. Guys like Holyfield and Duran were similar in that regard by clearly transgressing the rules on occasion but I don't think it's fair to classify them or anyone as a cheat for not being squeaky clean their entire careers either.

Lewis did not fight within d rules against Grant . It's just 2 apparent .
I Xcuse Holyfield 4 what he did vs Tyson . 1 actually deserves respect 4 using 1's head effectively against a supreme elbower like Tyson .
Regarding Rahman Holyfield did not win that fight , which I doubt d legality of its mere scheduling .

I give fighters credit on fights they won cleanly or sometimes even dirtily against d suspect dirty opponents . When a fighter is a serial cheater it means he cheated in at least most of his fights which means that he deserves very little credit 4 his entire career , so simple .

[Azzer85]

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[Rock0052]

Originally Posted by Seamus

No one remembers his destruction of Razor Ruddock? Really?

Lewis could be methodical and focussed in his destruction or unleash his entire arsenal. Still. he ranks as damn near the greatest H2H threat that the Heavy division ever produced.

He's a fantastic H2H fighter- if we took the top 20 HW champs and had them do a round-robin style tournament between each other, Lennox would do very,very well in it.

That said, I still wish we'd have seen how he'd do against pure boxers and southpaws and there just isn't the body of work for us to have an idea of how he'd handle those styles. He didn't face the wide range of styles Holy and Wlad did, partly because he had so many fewer fights. Lennox proved to be too good for the orthodox sluggers that he fought in his era, it's just a shame we didn't get to see 5-10 more fights out of him against guys like Byrd, Ruiz, Sanders, Bowe, Moorer, or a Mercer rematch.

[ron u.k.]

Originally Posted by frankenfrank

barely . Had it been 4eal , it wouldn't have bothered me .
So maybe ultimate surrender is d thing 4u ?


Because when a fighter's style is based on fouling , his opponent can not b accused 4 accommodating , which maybe is what Holyfield did vs Tyson .


I don't care as much as u do about intention as its somewhat open 4 opinion , points of view , etc .
When d damage is done what matters d most is 2 stop d fight immediately so d outcome wouldn't b able 2b Xcused by d damage . So injustice will b minimized and credit will b more frequent .


Lewis did not fight within d rules against Grant . It's just 2 apparent .
I Xcuse Holyfield 4 what he did vs Tyson . 1 actually deserves respect 4 using 1's head effectively against a supreme elbower like Tyson .
Regarding Rahman Holyfield did not win that fight , which I doubt d legality of its mere scheduling .

I give fighters credit on fights they won cleanly or sometimes even dirtily against d suspect dirty opponents . When a fighter is a serial cheater it means he cheated in at least most of his fights which means that he deserves very little credit 4 his entire career , so simple .

What a bag of d shite

[frankenfrank]

Originally Posted by ron u.k.

What a bag of d shite

maybe u should get back 2 sporting your homosexual Ali avatar so every1 reading your replies will know better who and what is behind your posts .

[young griffo]

Originally Posted by frankenfrank

barely . Had it been 4eal , it wouldn't have bothered me .
So maybe ultimate surrender is d thing 4u ?


Because when a fighter's style is based on fouling , his opponent can not b accused 4 accommodating , which maybe is what Holyfield did vs Tyson .


I don't care as much as u do about intention as its somewhat open 4 opinion , points of view , etc .
When d damage is done what matters d most is 2 stop d fight immediately so d outcome wouldn't b able 2b Xcused by d damage . So injustice will b minimized and credit will b more frequent .


Lewis did not fight within d rules against Grant . It's just 2 apparent .
I Xcuse Holyfield 4 what he did vs Tyson . 1 actually deserves respect 4 using 1's head effectively against a supreme elbower like Tyson .
Regarding Rahman Holyfield did not win that fight , which I doubt d legality of its mere scheduling .

I give fighters credit on fights they won cleanly or sometimes even dirtily against d suspect dirty opponents . When a fighter is a serial cheater it means he cheated in at least most of his fights which means that he deserves very little credit 4 his entire career , so simple .

I sort of see what you're saying even though I disagree with your reasoning.

Previously I thought you were just trolling but now I don't think you are. You just look and judge things from a very different perspective to everyone else.

Fair enough then.

[ron u.k.]

Originally Posted by frankenfrank

maybe u should get back 2 sporting your homosexual Ali avatar so every1 reading your replies will know better who and what is behind your posts .

[frankenfrank]

Originally Posted by young griffo

I sort of see what you're saying even though I disagree with your reasoning.

Previously I thought you were just trolling but now I don't think you are. You just look and judge things from a very different perspective to everyone else.

Fair enough then.

doesn't it bother u watching bare chested men (some of which even bother 2 look smooth by getting rid of bodily hair in all sorts of ways) ?

and then they sometimes even hug each other .
What do u do then ?
not 2 mention d good looking 1s .
boxing is gay .

[round15]

Originally Posted by Seamus

No one remembers his destruction of Razor Ruddock? Really?

Lewis could be methodical and focussed in his destruction or unleash his entire arsenal. Still. he ranks as damn near the greatest H2H threat that the Heavy division ever produced.

He was awesome against Ruddock.

Both men looked like they were trying to knock each other out with one punch. Lewis landed first and never let up. Razor helped his cause by fighting with his hands low, leaving himself wide open.

[round15]

Originally Posted by young griffo

I think everyone is aware about Lewis pulling Grants head into that uppercut. Yes it's an illegal punch (he did the same thing when he had Bruno hurt as well) and he didn't need to do it because Grant was already done. Lewis got away with a bit of rough housing in this fight but that says more about Arthur Mercante Jnr's ineptitude as a ref than anything else. That said Grant was dropped twice heavily in the first from legitimate punchers and he was badly exposed by Lewis in this fight so it wasn't like he was robbed of a win or something.

And speaking of doing the board a favour why don't you start posting using legible spelling and grammar. Your posts are like reading an SMS message from hell.

That's one Lewis' trademarks. The uppercuts underneath both legal and illegal.

[young griffo]

Originally Posted by frankenfrank

doesn't it bother u watching bare chested men (some of which even bother 2 look smooth by getting rid of bodily hair in all sorts of ways) ?

and then they sometimes even hug each other .
What do u do then ?
not 2 mention d good looking 1s .
boxing is gay .

I am a bit slow to catch on sometimes.

You actually are nothing but a trolling fucking waste of time and an unfunny one at that.

Forgive me everyone for giving this spastic an excuse to post in the first place.

Oh and Roy Jones' wins over Toney and Griffin were master classes from the best fighter of the last 20 years.



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