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View Poll Results: Was Ali-Foreman Fixed?
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Old 07-20-2012, 07:29 PM   #1
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A couple of months ago I read an online article suggesting the Ali-Foreman fight was fixed.

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Not fixed in the sense that Foreman took a dive, but that he was sabotaged by his own trainer: Dick Sadler.



Here are some claims that Foreman made in his book; By George:


1. Sadler had dehydrated Foreman for a couple of days before the fight. He told him it would "toughen him".
Immediately prior to the ring walk, Sadler had given Foreman water that tasted like it had medicine in it. Foreman had remarked on the odd taste to Sadler

2. Foreman said that after three rounds he felt like he had gone fifteen rounds.

3. During the fight, Sadler kept instructing Foreman to keep up the attack.
This was out of character with Sadler. He had always told Foreman to take his time and not hurry things.

4. Herbert Muhammad, Ali's manager, told Foreman that if he re-signed with Sadler, he'd get a rematch. Foreman said he refused.

5. Foreman said Sadler worked Ali's corner in the third Norton fight.



My feelings on this are mixed. I don't know whether to believe it or not.

We have a mix of Ali (who was not above benefiting from a fixed fight), Don King, a corrupt sport and a championship fight in a corrupt nation.

I'll file it away as likely but not proven.
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Old 07-20-2012, 07:57 PM   #2
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Old 07-20-2012, 08:40 PM   #3
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The Fix,

As in George Foreman fighting what has to be the most stupid tactical fight ever.

Yes.

Muhammad Ali had 'no' fight plan versus George Foreman, and started laying on the
ropes becuase his legs went out early in the 2nd Round.

Then, by mistake, he found out that George's punches lost their steam by the 3rd Round.
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Old 07-20-2012, 09:08 PM   #4
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Dunno if there was a fix, but the ropes obviously were waay too lose.
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Old 07-20-2012, 09:23 PM   #5
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Yes!

Wait. *reads op again* oh. No. No it wasn't.
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Old 07-20-2012, 09:26 PM   #6
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George Foreman himself has said the exscuses he made up for losing that fight were all bullshit and Ali beat him fair and square. So lets just bury the fixed theory right now.
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Old 07-20-2012, 09:59 PM   #7
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George Foreman himself has said the exscuses he made up for losing that fight were all bullshit and Ali beat him fair and square. So lets just bury the fixed theory right now.

Not exactly.

Here are two Foreman quotes within the same 2007 interview:

Quote:
"No, it wasn't fixed. I got beat fair and square."
Then

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"Maybe it's just a phantom drink of water, maybe it didn't happen at all, but I tasted medicine."

Translation- It wasn't fixed. I got beat fair and square. But I was doped before the fight.
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Old 07-20-2012, 10:10 PM   #8
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no, a few sharp old-timers and experienced fight guys told me Big George can,t lift his hands after 5 rds and a sharp heavyweight beats him. I remembering one guy telling me that Charles would eat him up infighting....I loved George and his undefeated record, even though he had the worst opposition but looking back with what i know today its easy to see him getting beat by Ali,Young,Charles, and Walcott but back then I saw things differently, in retrospect I can see why he did not want to fight Quarry but Foreman despite his weakness had a lot of strengths his power and he showed his heart getting off the floor and out-willing Lyle in their fight...the older George improved on stamina,smarts but legs,speed were not area's of improvement.
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Old 07-20-2012, 10:56 PM   #9
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The way big George was throwing those punches he could've launched Ali into space if he connected. Ali just outsmarted him, As Ali stated many times before the fight "here comes George with a left..................here comes George with a right" Unlike Frazier Ali wasn't there when George threw the punches and by the time of the rope a dope rounds big George was simply punching himself out. I bet Ali couldn't raise his arms for days after the fight, they must have been very sore. There was no fix, just a clever strategy that big George didn't wake up too. I think George Foreman believed all the hype about himself, he believed after the demolition of both Frazier and Norton that what the press was saying about Ali's life being in danger was a reality, Ali always fought smartly. Foreman underestimated Ali that's all.
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Old 07-20-2012, 11:00 PM   #10
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At least half of Clay-Ali's wins were fixed one way or another.
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Old 07-20-2012, 11:09 PM   #11
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At least half of Clay-Ali's wins were fixed one way or another.

I Think you're probably right.

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Old 07-20-2012, 11:21 PM   #12
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Foreman's ultimate mistake was taking that fight over to Africa for new promoter Don King and not fighting in the Astrodome in front of his fans.

Don King took control of the Hvywt. division from that point on.
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Old 07-21-2012, 02:49 AM   #13
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I made a whole thread about d ropes .
D heat also had a role in it .
When i made it i only happened 2 read that Foreman claimed that he was drugged in that fight as well but i had no opinion about it .

Then when i read that article (a good 1) and that Sandy Saddler (whom was n extremely dirty fighter back in his day) took care that Foreman drank what Saddler gave 2 him and that Saddler was never witnessed in Foreman's corner again it made me wonder . Watching Foreman not looking sharp in d ring in 1974 also made me wonder . some1 here claimed that later (post 1974) Saddler was witnessed near Ali's corner and that Ali's team demanded Saddler in Foreman's corner or else no rematch , IDK if it's true .
Still , i'm not totally convinced that Foreman was drugged but i believe in it more than b4 .
But even if he wasn't , d combination of D intentionally loosened ropes , D Heat , and Ali's being trained in order 2 exploit these 2 (he was trained on d rope a dope b4 d fight , it was not a real time , last moment accommodation)
and pay no attention 2 Mirena's screaming 2 Ali 2 get off d ropes and later claiming that it was dangerous 2 Ali because fact is he trained Ali 2 do it .
Mirena was a professional criminal , of d worst kind , d kind that evades d bars . What would u expect such a shrewd criminal 2 do ? scream 2 Ali 2 get on d ropes ? admit later that he told Ali during his training camp while working on d rope a dope with him 2 ignore his shouts about getting off d ropes during d fight ? I don't think that such deeds r even beyond d pedestrian intelligence of d posters here , but 4 their reasons they choose 2 ignore and dismiss it .
Angelo Mirena was a saint , he never had anything in common with d mafia and all his deeds were holy .
Angelo never cut Ali's glove b4/during d Cooper #1 fight and never handed him smelling salts 2 sniff during d Xtended break between rds either .
Someday , your grand grand grandchildren will pray 2 Santa Angelo at night , asking him 4 n under d table writings during n alarming test . They'll later come and visit his grave that will become a cathedral by then , d residence archibishop of d Italian New Yorkian church .
May Angelo bless your souls and god b with your deeds in hard times 2 come .
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Old 07-21-2012, 03:29 AM   #14
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The ropes were intentionally loosened and the Ref was an Ali fan for sure. Foreman was up at the count of 8 and he was wide eyed and his legs were fine yet the ref finished the count. If that fight happened today,George would have gotten up and continued the fight.
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Old 07-21-2012, 03:30 AM   #15
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I thought Foreman once said that "he was making every excuse in the world to take credit away from Ali." Not sure though.
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