Naz/Hatton

[slip&counter]

Originally Posted by Primadonna Kool

It's a known fact that he didn't enjoy training.

Many fighters don't, especially when they're coming towards the end mentally and physically. That's a different thing though then saying he lacked determination and will, which is something people always say about Hamed. My feeling is people who say that tend to believe he was better than he really was.

[Broony]

Originally Posted by slip&counter

Many fighters don't, especially when they're coming towards the end mentally and physically. That's a different thing though then saying he lacked determination and will, which is something people always say about Hamed. My feeling is people who say that tend to believe he was better than he really was.

Good point, sometimes easy to relate arrogance with lack of determination when they lose

[slip&counter]

Originally Posted by Broony

Good point, sometimes easy to relate arrogance with lack of determination when they lose

Exactly.

TBH, I was waiting for someone to out fox Hamed for a long time. I was a fan of him as a personality. I thought he was dynamite and GREAT for boxing. But i was less keen on his style and the way he boxed. Growing up in a household where everything was about admiring technique and sound fundamentals, Hamed never appealed in that sense.

I actually won pretty big on Hamed/Barrera in the betting stakes. That fight and the Hopkins/Pavlik one are the two fights that have given me the biggest return. I normally don't wager big or often on anything. Not really a gambling man. But Hamed/Barrera was too good to turn down. Sounds crazy for someone who doesn't wager often, but I actually (along with my pops) put a grand on that fight, that's how confident i was of a Barrera victory.

Sometimes we get suckered and we go for the live underdog, but those little old men in Vegas and betting shops are right about 80% of the time when they list a favourite, and there's a favourite for a reason. They are not in the business of losing money. I usually bet the favourites in fights. But i knew Barrera was a lock and at 6 to 1 i couldn't resist. Made seeing Hamed lose a little easier to bare.

[Phill-Mitchell]

Naz

And slip, I still have no idea how pavlik was made a favorite over Hopkins

[Strike]

Originally Posted by slip&counter

I disagree. I don't think Hamed lacked determination, focus or will. If anything it's Hatton who shortened his career and didn't get the best out of himself with lack of dedication and professionalism, with all the guinness carousing and whatnot. Talent can only take you so far when you have such glaring technical flaws and the Prince got pretty far with it. Hamed just reached a plateau and was always likely to be outboxed by any one of Barrera, Marquez, Morales, Mayweather etc.

Totally disagree. Whilst he would always have been outboxed by someone so defensively brilliant as PBF, the others were all within striking distance and although he had flaws, he was able to get to them through speed and unorthodox attacks. If you watch him early on, he used the jab, he went to the body and he let bunches of shots go, not everyone thrown with full force.

He totally fell in love with his power and became obsessed with looking for the one big shot. He abandoned his boxing, abandoned combinations and fucked off actual training.

The "prep" for the MAB fight was appalling and laughable. Someone like Morales would have come to go to war with him, as was expected of MAB. So that fight in particular would have been very winnable for a prime, properly focused and prepared Hamed.

But his own arrogance and the idiots around him led to much of his demise.

[Earl-hickey]

Barerra pulled a masterstroke against Naz, who would have been expecting to go toe to toe.

[prone2gr8tness]

naz

[Flea Man]

Hamed all the way.

[faz]

Hamed hands down

[Beeston Brawler]

Not much to choose between them IMO.

Hatton if anything was the underachiever of the two, spending so much time fighting stiffs at the MEN, being already close to the edge of his prime when he started taking the big fights.

Hamed also underachieved to an extent, but he'd have been destroyed by both Morales and Marquez, far worse than the job that Barrera did on him IMO.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

Naz had more talent and was more gifted clearly. However Hatton actually achieved more. He defeated the great Kostya Tyzu, was undisputed and lineal champion at 140. It is also to his credit that he losses were to the very best in Mayweather and Pacman.

[scotchpieirnbru]

The Barrera fight wasn't as one sided as people make out. If the right naz had showed up i reckon he would have beat Barrera. But its all ifs and buts now.

[theboy_racer]

NAZ easily, outwith Lewis the best British boxer we have had for decades.

Hatton is underrated himself.

[theboy_racer]

Originally Posted by Beeston Brawler

Hamed also underachieved to an extent, but he'd have been destroyed by both Morales and Marquez, far worse than the job that Barrera did on him IMO.

just no chance, they arent capable of destroying Hamed at his best and neither is MAB.

he is capable of not only beating any of them but KOing them.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

Originally Posted by theboy_racer

just no chance, they arent capable of destroying Hamed at his best and neither is MAB.

he is capable of not only beating any of them but KOing them.

Yes but the fact is that he did not and MAB took him to school.