The Fix In The Jungle? - Page 6

Mr Butt · 07-22-2012, 05:37 AM

no, i dont really like ali but i cant see this fight being fixed

Goyourownway · 07-22-2012, 06:52 AM

It was absolutely a fix,and anybody who denies it was such is clearly on the same type of medicine that Foreman got spiked with.

And for what it's worth,Foreman was also drugged in his fights with Peralta and Young.One time is a coincidence,but three times is clearly evidence of dirty,underhanded tactics.

johnmaff36 · 07-22-2012, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ETM

I dont know that it was fixed but George Foreman looked like sloppy drunk in that fight. His coordination and his balance were terrible. Geroge was never graceful in the ring but I gotta admit that has crossed my mind.

Sadler joining Ali`s camp looks really bad. He was in Manila with Ali.

So what? Dundee ended up doing foremans corner when he won the title back off moorer. Doesnt mean a thing

manbearpig · 07-22-2012, 07:50 AM

Of course it wasn't fucking fixed. George tried really, REALLY hard to knock Muhammad out. It was really, REALLY hot and George got really, REALLY tired.

Where is the fucking mystery?

A forum full of retards.

Azzer85 · 07-22-2012, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by manbearpig

Of course it wasn't fucking fixed. George tried really, REALLY hard to knock Muhammad out. It was really, REALLY hot and George got really, REALLY tired.

Where is the fucking mystery?

A forum full of retards.

Dont u think its a bit of a coincidence, the guys who think the fight was fixed, are mainly Ali haters anyway?

Goyourownway · 07-22-2012, 08:22 AM

It just seemed that the boxing establishment was against Foreman.The only logical conclusion is that many within that establishment were white,liberal,counter-culture types that were still upset at George waving that miniature American flag at the same event that his "brothers" were making a momentous stand.

RockyJim · 07-22-2012, 08:29 AM

Foreman fought one of the dumbest fights of all time that night in 1974...

Senor Pepe' · 07-22-2012, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by RockyJim

Foreman fought one of the dumbest fights of all time that night in 1974...

Rocky Jim,

Not one of the dumbest,,,,,,,

But 'The Dumbest'

George made it is sooooooo easy for Cassius Clay.

Even Rudi Lubbers would have defeated 'Big George' in Zaire.

BillB · 07-22-2012, 09:46 AM

Was Foreman drugged?

He says he was, but that could easily be a sour grapes excuse. Despite trying to appear as a nice guy, he has never recanted.

I found a claim on another forum that Ray Robinson was at ringside and remarked at the time that Foreman looked drugged. I haven't found any verification of that anywhere else.

It isn't that outlandish to believe he was. It would have been very easy for Sadler to have done it.

I'l have to conclude it's a maybe, maybe not.

If it can be substantiated that Herbert Muhammad refused Foreman a rematch unless he was trained by Sadler, that would be a smoking gun to me. I have found nothing outside of Foreman's book indicating that.

I found that Sadler was fired as Foreman's manager prior to Zaire. He was kept as trainer. He was fired altogether after the fight and did go to work for Ali a short time later. I'm not sure that proves anything.

My gut reaction is that Foreman is telling the truth, but there isn't any proof and probably never will be.

KernowWarrior · 07-22-2012, 09:53 AM

George Foreman younger, stronger, the Champion with a average of 2.1 rounds of combat per bout in his previous 10 fights before faced Ali, finds Ali rope a doping, Foreman must have thought all his Christmases had come at once, a static Ali, Foreman did what any murderous puncher would do he unloaded and unloaded.

Lets not forget all apart from 3 of Foremans previous 40 opponents had failed to reach end of fight, so a static Ali was in Foremans mind going to be not seeing the bell at end of 15 rounds.

Alis effectiveness at covering up and ability to absorb punishment, was not on Foremans radar, all Foreman saw was a victim eating his leathered fists, then once tiredness set in, Ali is initially using his brain by talking to Foreman, belittling his attempts, which made Foreman try harder, thus he tired quicker.

Once Foremans threat expired Ali unloaded, brains over brawn.

Foreman, Tyson, Liston...blew away their foes wrecking ball style but when a certain opponent dug in, the above all 'strong in the arm became weak in the head' and capitulated.

Foremans loss was no fix, Foreman merely lost to The Greatest.

jacklondon · 07-22-2012, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Nightcrawler

hehe damn right! he was a half way decent wrestler to

though i'll always prefer buddy rogers

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Nature Boy Buddy Rogers. Yeah, me too. I found a neat interview with him on Youtube. Killer Kowalski is probably my favorite wrestler from the golden age of wrestling, though - and George sure put on a great act, that flamboyant homo act of his. You mentioned his wife before, but the fact that he was married and perfectly normal - well, sort of normal - was kept top secret at the time. I love that expression he's wearing in the photo as he adores himself in the mirror. Perfect. The guy playing the role of his valet, by the way, was his childhood friend.

Bill Butcher · 07-22-2012, 11:28 AM

Only a disrespectful arsehole with an agenda will vote `yes` or `probably`

jacklondon · 07-22-2012, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill Butcher

Only a disrespectful arsehole with an agenda will vote `yes` or `probably`

Only a (no offense) fucking slack jawed retard with a politically correct agenda would vote "no" or "probably not".

Foreman Hook · 07-22-2012, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Butcher

Only a disrespectful arsehole with an agenda will vote `yes` or `probably`

Goyourownway · 07-22-2012, 12:38 PM

Foreman Hook voted yes? Thought you liked teh gr8test there m8.

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07-22-2012, 05:37 AM	#76
Mr Butt Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: May 2009 Location: out preaching for the church of benn Posts: 10,102 vCash: 1054	Re: The Fix In The Jungle? no, i dont really like ali but i cant see this fight being fixed
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07-22-2012, 06:52 AM	#77
Goyourownway Insanity enthusiast ESB Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Challenging you and pushing your body to it's full limit Posts: 1,117 vCash: 500	Re: The Fix In The Jungle? It was absolutely a fix,and anybody who denies it was such is clearly on the same type of medicine that Foreman got spiked with. And for what it's worth,Foreman was also drugged in his fights with Peralta and Young.One time is a coincidence,but three times is clearly evidence of dirty,underhanded tactics.
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07-22-2012, 07:50 AM	#79
manbearpig A Scottish Noob ESB Addict Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Scotland Posts: 4,225 vCash: 1185	Re: The Fix In The Jungle? Of course it wasn't fucking fixed. George tried really, REALLY hard to knock Muhammad out. It was really, REALLY hot and George got really, REALLY tired. Where is the fucking mystery? A forum full of retards.
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07-22-2012, 08:22 AM	#81
Goyourownway Insanity enthusiast ESB Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Challenging you and pushing your body to it's full limit Posts: 1,117 vCash: 500	Re: The Fix In The Jungle? It just seemed that the boxing establishment was against Foreman.The only logical conclusion is that many within that establishment were white,liberal,counter-culture types that were still upset at George waving that miniature American flag at the same event that his "brothers" were making a momentous stand.
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07-22-2012, 08:29 AM	#82
RockyJim Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,268 vCash: 1000	Re: The Fix In The Jungle? Foreman fought one of the dumbest fights of all time that night in 1974...
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07-22-2012, 09:46 AM	#84
BillB Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 960 vCash: 500	Re: The Fix In The Jungle? Was Foreman drugged? He says he was, but that could easily be a sour grapes excuse. Despite trying to appear as a nice guy, he has never recanted. I found a claim on another forum that Ray Robinson was at ringside and remarked at the time that Foreman looked drugged. I haven't found any verification of that anywhere else. It isn't that outlandish to believe he was. It would have been very easy for Sadler to have done it. I'l have to conclude it's a maybe, maybe not. If it can be substantiated that Herbert Muhammad refused Foreman a rematch unless he was trained by Sadler, that would be a smoking gun to me. I have found nothing outside of Foreman's book indicating that. I found that Sadler was fired as Foreman's manager prior to Zaire. He was kept as trainer. He was fired altogether after the fight and did go to work for Ali a short time later. I'm not sure that proves anything. My gut reaction is that Foreman is telling the truth, but there isn't any proof and probably never will be.
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07-22-2012, 09:53 AM	#85
KernowWarrior Cornwalls Finest ESB Jr Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: In the opposite corner Posts: 105 vCash: 500	Re: The Fix In The Jungle? George Foreman younger, stronger, the Champion with a average of 2.1 rounds of combat per bout in his previous 10 fights before faced Ali, finds Ali rope a doping, Foreman must have thought all his Christmases had come at once, a static Ali, Foreman did what any murderous puncher would do he unloaded and unloaded. Lets not forget all apart from 3 of Foremans previous 40 opponents had failed to reach end of fight, so a static Ali was in Foremans mind going to be not seeing the bell at end of 15 rounds. Alis effectiveness at covering up and ability to absorb punishment, was not on Foremans radar, all Foreman saw was a victim eating his leathered fists, then once tiredness set in, Ali is initially using his brain by talking to Foreman, belittling his attempts, which made Foreman try harder, thus he tired quicker. Once Foremans threat expired Ali unloaded, brains over brawn. Foreman, Tyson, Liston...blew away their foes wrecking ball style but when a certain opponent dug in, the above all 'strong in the arm became weak in the head' and capitulated. Foremans loss was no fix, Foreman merely lost to The Greatest.
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07-22-2012, 11:28 AM	#87
Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales East Side VIP Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Phoenix Marie`s ass, Fritzl Residence, Glasgow, Scotland. Posts: 15,580 vCash: 1000	Re: The Fix In The Jungle? Only a disrespectful arsehole with an agenda will vote `yes` or `probably`
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07-22-2012, 12:38 PM	#90
Goyourownway Insanity enthusiast ESB Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Challenging you and pushing your body to it's full limit Posts: 1,117 vCash: 500	Re: The Fix In The Jungle? Foreman Hook voted yes? Thought you liked teh gr8test there m8.
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