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Old 07-26-2011, 04:34 PM   #16
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The Holyfield that beat Rahman would have been a good opponent for Vitali. Evander is going to take some serious punishment but he could make things very ugly on the inside. I think Ruiz at this time would pose similar problems for the older brother.
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Old 07-26-2011, 04:40 PM   #17
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How about a time when Holyfield is slipping slightly and the Klitschko's are slightly green?

There are a few interesting possible permutations of that!
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Old 07-26-2011, 04:40 PM   #18
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They could probably make the fight happen today
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Old 07-26-2011, 05:08 PM   #19
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They could probably make the fight happen today
Sadly, Vitali might, because the WBC may choose to rank Holyfield after his next win... have you seen the current WBC top 20 heavyweight rankings? They're quite horrible:

Tomasz Adamek (Poland)
Chris Arreola (US)
Alexander Dimitrenko (Germany) EBU
Bermane Stiverne (Canada) SILVER/USNBC
Denis Boytsov (Russia)
Johnathon Banks (US) NABF
Juan Carlos Gomez (Cuba)
Chauncy Welliver (US) AMERICA/ABCO
Ray Austin (US)
Alexander Povetkin (Russia)
Cedric Boswell (US) LATINO
Eric Molina (US)
Mariusz Wach (Poland) BALTIC
Robert Helenius (Finland)
Kubrat Pulev (Bulgaria)
Kevin Johnson (US)
Luis Ortiz (Cuba) FECARBOX
David Rodriguez (US) FECOMBOX
Hasim Rahman (US)
Francesco Pianeta (Italy)
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Old 07-26-2011, 07:43 PM   #20
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I strongly believe Holyfield has been shot in every fight post Lewis II, just fluctuating degrees of shot, judging by the video evidence we have. In that sad period, Shot Holyfield has lost to Ruiz, Byrd, Toney, Donald, Ibragimov, & was saved by a small butt-cut NC stoppage against the unknown Sherman Williams. Granted he deserved the decison against Valuev, but people have pointed out that Ruiz & Donald may have beaten Valuev too, yet weren't granted the decisions they earned either. Don King WBA judging stinks.
Well Holyfield looked very poor vs. Moorer and that fight took place before Lewis. He wasn’t so hot vs. Vaughn Bean either, and looked very shot in the 3rd Bowe fight.

Both K brothers would likely defeat Holyfield, who in truth outside of the Tyson wins ( and Tyson was more past it than Holyfield was ) is a little over rated.
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Old 07-26-2011, 11:52 PM   #21
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Both K brothers would likely defeatHolyfield, who in truth outside of the Tyson wins ( and Tyson was more past it than Holyfield was ) is a little over rated.
How so?

I'm not even going to address the other point. I mean, what's Foreman without Frazier. Liston without Patterson? Those two Tyson wins are huge to his record and achievements, and rightfully so. Turns out I addressed it.

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Old 07-27-2011, 07:34 AM   #22
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Both K brothers would likely defeatHolyfield, who in truth outside of the Tyson wins ( and Tyson was more past it than Holyfield was ) is a little over rated.



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How so?

I'm not even going to address the other point. I mean, what's Foreman without Frazier. Liston without Patterson? Those two Tyson wins are huge to his record and achievements, and rightfully so. Turns out I addressed it.
Holyfiled is 1-2 vs. Bowe, and on a fair score card 0-2 vs Lewis. So he is 1-4 vs. Skilled Super heavies. Slightly past or past his best in this thread he isn't beating either Klitschko brother.

The second Tyson win is nothing to brag about as it is a DQ win, and Holyfield used his normal billy goat tactics to head butt Tyson early. Tyson snapped and disgraced himself with biting.

PS: Foreman is plenty without Frazier. Liston is plenty without Patterson.
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Old 07-23-2012, 05:11 AM   #23
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Nearly a year later & good old evander still hasnt retired
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Old 07-23-2012, 08:49 AM   #24
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Holyfiled is 1-2 vs. Bowe, and on a fair score card 0-2 vs Lewis. So he is 1-4 vs. Skilled Super heavies. Slightly past or past his best in this thread he isn't beating either Klitschko brother.

The second Tyson win is nothing to brag about as it is a DQ win, and Holyfield used his normal billy goat tactics to head butt Tyson early. Tyson snapped and disgraced himself with biting.

PS: Foreman is plenty without Frazier. Liston is plenty without Patterson.
Interesting comments there regarding Holyfield
Its funny how his losses came against Bowe, Moorer and Lewis (all prime) and his best wins were Foreman, Holmes, Mercer, and Tyson and fat bowe (x2)

Im a Holyfield fan, soemtimes i think hes great, other times i feel hes overrated
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Old 07-23-2012, 10:12 AM   #25
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The Klits couldnt stay back and box. They would be forced to fight a lot and Holyfield would drown them in the later rounds. Noone was able to stay back and box Holyfield and beat him, you had to have the ability to mix it up and Klits are one dimensional boxers who have no fighting ability. Holyfield KO's both in the later rounds.
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Old 07-23-2012, 10:13 AM   #26
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Wlad would probably get his glass jaw shattered by a headbutt.
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Old 07-23-2012, 10:36 AM   #27
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Sorry no, Peak Brewster is superior to the '04 Shot Holyfield who lost a UD to Larry Donald...

Peak Brewster ('04 Wlad to '06 Liakhovich) is a underrated Grade B powerful pressure-fighter. It took powerpunching & strong physical pressure for Lamon to wear-out & halt Wlad. Do you really believe Shot Holyfield could do the same? I don't. Shot Holyfield was lethargic & had lost any pop from his punches. Honestly '04 Brewster gives Shot Holyfield of that same year a beating. This is coming from a Holyfield fan.
No I don't think he is, Brewster got a gift against that guy from New Zealand around this time
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Old 07-23-2012, 11:59 AM   #28
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Holyfield would beat the Klits, because neither of them like pressure. During the Chisora fight it seemed to me that VK was looking to quit, he had that look on his face.

Holyfield would bring the heat and im not sure the Klits would be able to take it.

You cant really compare them to Bowe because Bowe was a great infighter
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Old 07-23-2012, 01:30 PM   #29
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Im a Holyfield fan, soemtimes i think hes great, other times i feel hes overrated
He was great.
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Old 07-24-2012, 07:48 AM   #30
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I strongly believe Holyfield has been shot in every fight post Lewis II, just fluctuating degrees of shot, judging by the video evidence we have. In that sad period, Shot Holyfield has lost to Ruiz, Byrd, Toney, Donald, Ibragimov, & was saved by a small butt-cut NC stoppage against the unknown Sherman Williams. Granted he deserved the decison against Valuev, but people have pointed out that Ruiz & Donald may have beaten Valuev too, yet weren't granted the decisions they earned either. Don King WBA judging stinks.
Both K-brothers would have owned Holyfield post Lewis.

In fact, the prime Holyfield had many un-even performances. He was beaten by Moorer. An older Holmes managed to have his moments boxing Holyfield, and even managed to cut him. If it seems like Holy had trouble with jabbers, he in fact did. He was floored by Cooper and got the benefit of a long count, and beaten badly by Bowe the first time, and Ko'd in the thrid outing.

Holyfield barely edged Bowe in the re-match, but he had a huge edge in his corner, and a 17 minutes stoppage in the middle of the fight ( fan man ) which allowed an often gassed Holyfield time to refuel

Holy's record vs super heavies with skill ( Lewis and Bowe ) should read 1-4, and match he did win over Bowe was very, very close. I do not think Holyfield would defeat Vitlai in his prime, and Wlad is close to 50/50 depending on which Holyfield shows ups
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