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Old 07-23-2012, 03:43 PM   #1
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Default I can see why Jack Johnson beat both these guys

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvdt3xm3ql0[/ame]

He is leagues above both in the skill department. He would have outclassed them both in 1910 as well.
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Old 07-23-2012, 04:07 PM   #2
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I think the most important question I can ask is why the duck sauce is there a silhouette of a rooster in the middle of the.screen.
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Old 07-23-2012, 04:10 PM   #3
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Old 07-23-2012, 04:14 PM   #4
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Unlike Johnson, Jeannette is using a consistent jab and utilizes footwork and unlike Johnson, small Langford shows fight-changing power and aggression against a true heavyweight of the era.

Johnson hardly looks impeccable on film himself. No reason to play favorites and denigrate the fighters that Johnson didn't face as a champion while bigging up Harry Wills (whose only effort on film is him being flattened by Uzcudun).
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Old 07-23-2012, 04:24 PM   #5
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I don't see anytime Langford stands a good shot at Johnson because they peaked and went past prime at similar times. Langford also isn't nearly as dominant as he's made out to be.

Skills wise, neither are too bad for the era. Jeanette's balance and footwork is sloppy though. Langford is a bit square and open but like any good pressure fighter is always taking small steps to maintain pressure and poised to throw a big punch from either hand. Langford as a puncher is technically very good, he dynamically shifts his leverage using pivots that few do
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Old 07-23-2012, 04:29 PM   #6
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I don't see anytime Langford stands a good shot at Johnson because they peaked and went past prime at similar times.
I am certain that Johnson passed his prime a few years before Langford did.

You could hand pick a date that would be favourable for Langford.
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Old 07-23-2012, 04:32 PM   #7
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I feel his 1907-1913 run was a fairly dominant one considering he was taking on larger opposition. The loss to McVea, which was avenged, was the only decisive one from my understanding.
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Old 07-23-2012, 04:41 PM   #8
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Langford looks good there....and Jeannette looks awkward but not really bad....
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Old 07-23-2012, 04:55 PM   #9
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Oh, and these are specificaly the two guys who Johnson saw as the greatest threat to his title.

I think that he could have been persuaded to fight Sam McVea much more easily.
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Old 07-23-2012, 05:13 PM   #10
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I think the most important question I can ask is why the duck sauce is there a silhouette of a rooster in the middle of the.screen.
Probably to signify the fact that Johnson chickened out when Jeanette/Langford/Mcvey hit their primes.
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Old 07-23-2012, 10:34 PM   #11
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GreatA,

Jeanette's jab is awful. He has terrible balance, he looks awkward and sloppy throwing punches. Johnson was far better than jeanette at calculating distance too.

Langford has zero head/upperbody movement, he is far too stationary. Dangerous puncher, no doubt..but tailor made for Johnsons counterpunching abilities


Yes, Jack Johnson looks far better on film
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Old 07-23-2012, 10:59 PM   #12
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No head movement? Langford often reminds me of a mini Tyson. Go watch his fight with Lang and get back here with an apology to ole tham. The guy was a master at weaving inside a taller opponents reach and whipping in power punches.

I think stylistically Johnson is a nightmare for any version of Langford but lets not go insulting one of the greats of the sport while stating our case.
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