Chang, Watanabe, Lacier, Roman

stonehammerjack · 07-14-2012, 11:38 AM

Just finished watching the Chang set I bought and wondered between the four above, who you all think is better or had a better career. I've been a big Watanabe and Lacier fan, who I have 8 fights of, and Chang really impressed me. I put Roman, because he beat Lacier and Watanabe and had a great career.

Lester1583 · 07-14-2012, 12:04 PM

Chang is the best - both H2H at his own weight and career-wise.

Watanabe was more talented than both Laciar and Roman but from what I've heard about him wasn't the most dedicated fighter.
Hence the short career.

frankenfrank · 07-14-2012, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by stonehammerjack

Just finished watching the Chang set I bought and wondered between the four above, who you all think is better or had a better career. I've been a big Watanabe and Lacier fan, who I have 8 fights of, and Chang really impressed me. I put Roman, because he beat Lacier and Watanabe and had a great career.

what about Bebis Rojas ?

anyway , on blind , based purely on records which proved working 4 me :

tier #1 :
Santos Benigno Laciar , Bebis Rojas , Fidel Bassa , Sung-Kil Moon
, Jiro Watanbe
tier #2 :
Ray Medel , Jesus Rojas , Jose Ruiz
Julio Cesar Borboa , Robert Quiroga , Jung-Koo Chang , Nana Konadu ,
Gilberto Roman
tier #3 :
Hilario Zapata

Back 2 topic :
meaning that Roman was d worst of d 4 u mentioned

Ted Spoon · 07-14-2012, 02:02 PM

Watanabe was unlucky not to get the decision against Roman.

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McGrain · 07-14-2012, 02:02 PM

I like Watanabe.

stonehammerjack · 07-14-2012, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Ted Spoon

Watanabe was unlucky not to get the decision against Roman.

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cool. I have the Watanabe set and it has 14 fights. a terrific southpaw

The Funny Man 7 · 07-15-2012, 01:15 PM

Roman really gets underrated. The guy was a virtuoso, a predicessor to Marquez and Lopez and he had plenty of bad luck of his own.

I think he's roughly even with Chang, ahead of Lacier and Watanabe.

stonehammerjack · 07-19-2012, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by The Funny Man 7

Roman really gets underrated. The guy was a virtuoso, a predicessor to Marquez and Lopez and he had plenty of bad luck of his own.

I think he's roughly even with Chang, ahead of Lacier and Watanabe.

Roman was great I just watched his trio w/ Lacier and his win over Watanabe. Terrific fighter

stonehammerjack · 07-28-2012, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by stonehammerjack

Roman was great I just watched his trio w/ Lacier and his win over Watanabe. Terrific fighter

I just watched Santos' fights vs. Herrerra and Mathebula. He really was a terrific fighter and I now have a hard time ranking these 4, but know Roman I have below Lacier. Probably I would have Lacier and Watanabe 1 & 2

bladerunner · 07-28-2012, 05:36 PM

I think Chang is the clear number one of those four.

Second would be Watanabe.

Roman and Laciar are about even IMO.

Lester1583 · 07-29-2012, 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by bladerunner

Roman and Laciar are about even IMO

Agree.

Although Laciar has a notable (a very close one though) win over Hilario "Little Whitaker" Zapata.

The tiebreaker?

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stonehammerjack Journeyman ESB Jr Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 156 vCash: 500	Chang, Watanabe, Lacier, Roman Just finished watching the Chang set I bought and wondered between the four above, who you all think is better or had a better career. I've been a big Watanabe and Lacier fan, who I have 8 fights of, and Chang really impressed me. I put Roman, because he beat Lacier and Watanabe and had a great career. Last edited by stonehammerjack; 07-14-2012 at 11:51 AM.
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Lester1583 Can you hear this? ESB Addict Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 2,229 vCash: 1000	Re: Chang, Watanabe, Lacier, Roman Chang is the best - both H2H at his own weight and career-wise. Watanabe was more talented than both Laciar and Roman but from what I've heard about him wasn't the most dedicated fighter. Hence the short career. Last edited by Lester1583; 07-14-2012 at 12:52 PM.
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Ted Spoon Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 785 vCash: 1000	Re: Chang, Watanabe, Lacier, Roman Watanabe was unlucky not to get the decision against Roman. You may appreciate this: [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
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McGrain Diamond Dog East Side VIP Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 63,252 vCash: 1000	Re: Chang, Watanabe, Lacier, Roman I like Watanabe.
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The Funny Man 7 Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: here (duh!) Posts: 3,485 vCash: 1280	Re: Chang, Watanabe, Lacier, Roman Roman really gets underrated. The guy was a virtuoso, a predicessor to Marquez and Lopez and he had plenty of bad luck of his own. I think he's roughly even with Chang, ahead of Lacier and Watanabe.
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bladerunner El Intocable East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 20,351 vCash: 75	Re: Chang, Watanabe, Lacier, Roman I think Chang is the clear number one of those four. Second would be Watanabe. Roman and Laciar are about even IMO.
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