Reasons why Muhammad Ali's 'dodgy' decisions.........

[Pachilles]

Originally Posted by frankenfrank

My main problem with d Ali fraud is mainly d cheating in fights and much less d gifts by d judges which also should hurt his legacy .

It is true that he was not d only 1 2 enjoy gift decisions by d judges and that this tradition in this sport is common .

However , d benefits he had from his and his trainer's (Angelo Mirena) cheating r d greatest .

No other man's legacy benefits more from cheating in fights and fixes .
He was not d only 1 in this category either , but this is where i feel that he truly is d gr8est .

A top 10 gr8est cheater , and d undisputed GOAT benefitor from cheating and fixes .

He will probably always remain uderr8ed @ this .

D forgotten deity of fixes and cheating @ this certain sport .

In Ali's case it is a combination of d regular albeit un4givable amounts of wrong verdicts 2 his credit and injured , undersized , old , however handicapped opponents with d irregular amounts of fixes and cheating .
It is this combination that turns almost every outcome which ignorant fools / ignorant crooks count 2 his favor 2 irrelevant .

T H E! its a 3 letter word YOU CHIEF!

[DDA365]

I really dont see how its worth the effort he puts in to all of that so consistently

trolling obviously, but the 'people getting angry>>>amount of time spent writing all that shit in that style' ratio is appalling

[Gesta]

Originally Posted by PhillyPhan69

Ali had a few questionable decisions....but I don't feel that he gets attacked or called on it quite as much as some? Since he is considered by many (not me) as the best HW ever of course he is going to have a plethora of threads dedicated to his career in a variety of aspects. The problems are twofold in my eyes:

Ali supporters defend every thing he ever did and refuse to engage in sincere and unbiased discussions (For the most part not an absolute).

Ali detractors criticize and challange every remote thread at their disposal to discredit him.

Combined this leads to extreme postions and the opponent makes extreme knee jerk reactions the opposite way and a good discussion is very rare on this forum any more about Ali (or Dempsey or Tyson etc.).

I personally think he gets attacked more than SRL, JCC but think that DLH might get criticized over decisions more than anyone else anymore. But that is the price you pay when most consider you the GOAT...The microscope comes out and the probing begins...fair or not, it happens.

I agree

[PowerPuncher]

I assumed everyone skipped Frank's posts TBH, they hurt my eyes

[young griffo]

Originally Posted by PowerPuncher

I assumed everyone skipped Frank's posts TBH, they hurt my eyes

Agreed.

Maybe we could reach a consensus on Classic and we all just put Frank on ignore. Then he'd disappear and we would no longer get eye strain from trying to decipher his bullshit anymore.

[lufcrazy]

I also agree with pp in that the gift decisions where past his prime and after his legacy had already been secured.

Then you have people like saxton who's whole entire legacy is based on gift decisions.

[frankenfrank]

Originally Posted by lufcrazy

I also agree with pp in that the gift decisions where past his prime and after his legacy had already been secured.

Doug Jones and Alonzo Johnson were not past Ali's prime .

Originally Posted by lufcrazy

Then you have people like saxton who's whole entire legacy is based on gift decisions.

But in Ali's case whenever it was not a gift decision it was something much worse .
In a case of a gift decision u at least know that its benefitor managed 2 last d distance .

In d cases of 4man , Cooper #1 and probably others , it is more than just conceivable that Ali would not have lasted d distance if it was not 4 Mirena's acts .



and this is a great reply that IDK how it came from some1 else rather than by me :

Originally Posted by Bill1234

Probably because he was never on the wrong end of a controversial decision. With most fighters they have seen both sides of the questionable cards. De La Hoya, for example, is usually said to have gotten lucky on the cards against Sturm and Quartey, yet it sort of evens out with him being unlucky on the cards against Trinidad and in the Mosley rematch.

There are no fights that "even out" for Ali. He has the controversial wins over Norton and Young, arguably Shavers, yet there are no fights that anyone can really point out and say "Ali deserved the decision but didn't get it."

[lufcrazy]

He just referred to big george as "4man" i'm out.

[PhillyPhan69]

Originally Posted by PowerPuncher

I assumed everyone skipped Frank's posts TBH, they hurt my eyes

[Stevie G]

Originally Posted by young griffo

Agreed.

Maybe we could reach a consensus on Classic and we all just put Frank on ignore. Then he'd disappear and we would no longer get eye strain from trying to decipher his bullshit anymore.

The thing with Frankie boy,is that in general he's quite a knowledgeable boxing man. It's only when it comes to the subject of Muhammad Ali,that his boxing brain goes out the window and the space gets filled with bullshit of the smelliest kind As I've told him more than once,his dislike of Ali as a character,closes his mind to Ali the fighter.

His texting style IS friggin' well hard to decode though

[Stevie G]

Originally Posted by frankenfrank

Doug Jones and Alonzo Johnson were not past Ali's prime .

But in Ali's case whenever it was not a gift decision it was something much worse .
In a case of a gift decision u at least know that its benefitor managed 2 last d distance .

In d cases of 4man , Cooper #1 and probably others , it is more than just conceivable that Ali would not have lasted d distance if it was not 4 Mirena's acts .



and this is a great reply that IDK how it came from some1 else rather than by me :

The Alonzo Johnson and Doug Jones fights was n't a prime Ali either. The young Cassius Clay was still developing,physically,and as a fighter.