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Old 07-31-2012, 12:54 PM   #31
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Default Re: Shogun vs. Vera: Winner gets title shot?

Wow, I'd be really surprised to see if anyone's actually excited about this.
2 guys who are well past their prime, and have been beaten by Jon Jones already.
If this fight happened 6 yrs ago, I might have been excited.
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Old 07-31-2012, 12:57 PM   #32
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Dana Changed his mind. Whoever wins the most impressively on Saturday gets the rematch, so it will be one of the four.

Machida, Bader, Vera, or Shogun.
Oddly enough, Bader would be most deserving if he wins.
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Old 07-31-2012, 03:27 PM   #33
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Oddly enough, Bader would be most deserving if he wins.
That is sad
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Old 07-31-2012, 05:07 PM   #34
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Surely the most logical fight would be machida III(if lyoto gets by bader)
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Old 07-31-2012, 05:19 PM   #35
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I'd be more comfortable for the winners of both matches to face off in a title eliminator. I'd watch Shogun/Machida again for 5 rounds.
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Old 07-31-2012, 09:23 PM   #36
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Oddly enough, Bader would be most deserving if he wins.
**** me... I never thought I'd say this but...

Out of Shogun, Vera, Machida and Bader, Bader is the most deserving of a title shot.

(If each of them were to hypothetically win (not at the same time, literalists), Bader is the most deserving... and my head expolded)
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Old 07-31-2012, 10:19 PM   #37
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Default Re: Shogun vs. Vera: Winner gets title shot?

The title of the thread should be Shogun to get title shot. Vera has no heart and never lived up to his potential. I'd be surprised if he found his courage overnight.
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Old 07-31-2012, 10:23 PM   #38
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Oddly enough, Bader would be most deserving if he wins.
True.

I would give Machida the best shot, but he would still be a huge underdog.

I would rather see someone who has not fought Jones be given a shot like Gustafoson, Davies, Glover, or even Gaygard. Maybe someone could drop down or come up. Vitor would be interesting while it lasted or a small heavyweight.
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Old 08-01-2012, 08:27 AM   #39
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Apparently Dana confirmed this to be true. I sincerely hope he is just trying to hype that everyone sees as a total mismatch. If (big if) Vera manages to pull off the upset, he would still be far from deserving of a rematch with Jones. A controversial win over Eliot Marshall and an upset over Shogun is just not a strong case for a title shot.

Shogun, who is likely to win this one, is also undeserving of a rematch at this point. He is coming off of a loss to Hendo. Beating Vera is not enough to earn another title shot, even if you are a legend in the sport, like Shogun.

Plus, both guys have already been dominated by Jones. I think everyone would rather see him face new blood rather than see these rematches.


...of course this is all assuming Jones beats Hendo.
Well, assuming Rua beats Vera, who else deserves a shot at Jones more ?... Hendo beat Rua, sure... but he is next in line for a title shot, if Hendo beats Jones then Rua really has to earn the title & get revenge into the bargain... if Jones beats Hendo, same for Rua... either way you look at it, Shogun Rua is going to have to really earn the title if he is to become champ again, if he does it then nobody can say he didn`t deserve it.
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Old 08-01-2012, 04:19 PM   #40
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Absolutely horrible. Dana changed it to best performance from 2 main events.

Sorry, what about Gustafasson? Two main events could be eliminators to fight in an eliminator. Poor choice.

Imagine if Vera gets a title shot!!!
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Old 08-01-2012, 06:11 PM   #41
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Absolutely horrible. Dana changed it to best performance from 2 main events.

Sorry, what about Gustafasson? Two main events could be eliminators to fight in an eliminator. Poor choice.

Imagine if Vera gets a title shot!!!
I would enjoy watching him getting executed like the guy or not JJ puts on a pretty good fight
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Old 08-01-2012, 06:16 PM   #42
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Very won't get the shot.... But at this point nobody has really earned a shot including Shogun. But as said above Bader would have the most recent success if he should win. but after that Gust vs Lil Nog should be for the next shot and then after that Jones would be fighting recycled guys he's already destroyed.
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Old 08-01-2012, 10:41 PM   #43
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Very won't get the shot.... But at this point nobody has really earned a shot including Shogun. But as said above Bader would have the most recent success if he should win. but after that Gust vs Lil Nog should be for the next shot and then after that Jones would be fighting recycled guys he's already destroyed.
I agree on Gust vs Nog. Either one of those would be an interesting matchup. I'd like to see how Jones handles a submission specialist like Lil Nog.
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Old 08-01-2012, 11:02 PM   #44
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I'm a Lil Nog fan, but I think Jones could easily do what Bader and Davis did to him, but in a much more impressive and dominant fashion.
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Old 08-01-2012, 11:11 PM   #45
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Out of that lot, I would prefer to see the victory and title challenge of:

1) Machida

2) Shogun

3) Bader







4) Vera.


But realistically, after Machida got destroyed by Jones the first time round, I don't think a win over Bader is enough for him to get a rematch.

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