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Old 08-03-2012, 03:50 AM   #1
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Default too much running vs too much weights...whats worse???

i think both weights and running are important for any combat sport.

you need good cardio-stamia
but you also need to work on physical strength, and yes it matters in
any combat sport.

plus it helps with injuries- all that aside

i have seen both extermes

a guy who lifts 5 times a week and feels and looks stiff, and looks less snappy and sharp

or the guy who runs all the time, is weak as hell, a beanpole
who can be pushed to the other end of the room with a decent push


so what do you pick lol

stiff-slowish looking muscle bond guy with cardio problems

or bean pole with chicken legs, and future knee and ankle problems

bodybuilder vs kenyan runner lol
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Old 08-03-2012, 05:20 AM   #2
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Default Re: too much running vs too much weights...whats worse???

Neither.

I don't get the point?
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Old 08-03-2012, 05:44 AM   #3
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Default Re: too much running vs too much weights...whats worse???

Hahaha I know what u mean but obviously both are bad .I got told to run 6 mile a day for the ams tbh though I think 2 as fast as you can would be alot better .Weights twice a week should be ok Run 4 times .
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Old 08-03-2012, 06:23 AM   #4
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Default Re: too much running vs too much weights...whats worse???

both are bad.. this 5 mile running every day just dont make sense.. i think for a boxer, 2 miles hill running or like almsn said as fast as you can mixed with sprinting and all would be fine.. weights are good also but not too much, 2 times for strength a week enough, other days floorwork for muscle endurance would be ok.
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Old 08-03-2012, 11:54 AM   #5
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Default Re: too much running vs too much weights...whats worse???

The "everyday" part of the prescription is what I don't understand.

I can jog long distances once or twice a week no problem, medium distances maybe another time or two a week no biggie; but my body caps at running 3 or 4 times a week total.
After that is when I start breaking down.
My legs and back will start to get so sore that I can't really do much else.

On top of that is the time considerations of trying to fit in a run every day on top of all the other training I could/should be doing.

Lately, I've been doing 2 boot camp type sessions a week of high intensity interval work for an hour (tues/thurs), I'll do yoga for an hour on mondays to heal my body, I'll jog for 30 min to an hour on Wednesdays, and fridays I'll spar. In addition to that, Mon through Friday I'll do boxing work of some kind - usually including jump rope, shadow, and heavy bag drills for an hour.

I feel like I'm pushing it about as hard as I can go currently.
Spending like 10 hours a week working out.
Everybody talks about ramping up training for competition - but I really don't see how my body could handle much more.

I would think a fighter's capabilities & capacity for training should be taken into consideration when prescribing a workout regimen. This magical "5 to 10 miles everyday" seems like it would be counter productive for all but certain genetically gifted endurance athletes.

Addressing the OP's questions - your workout routine should be based around what you need to work on. If you're overweight or really need stamina work, work on stamina. If you're weak, then work on strength. If you're slow, work on speed.
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Old 08-03-2012, 12:12 PM   #6
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Default Re: too much running vs too much weights...whats worse???

good answers

here is a thing is also an interesting question

when you run a lot, you also burn muscle not just fat

can that make you more prone to injuries?
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Old 08-03-2012, 01:01 PM   #7
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Default Re: too much running vs too much weights...whats worse???

Well, it's never this clear cut, but a heavily muscled guy will never fight someone of the same height who is skinny. Equal weight classes generally mean the heavily muscled guy is shorter.
Therefore, he's already at a disadvantage with reach, and dynamics of spacing/footwork might mean he works harder to get in/out, plus the increased muscle mass could mean more oxygen & blood being used for each movement, so endurance may suffer.
Hopefully muscles is skilled enough and fast to win. More seasoned fighters can make this work. However, I noticed that novice amateur matches tend to heavily favour guys with better endurance and skill & technique (while important) falls slightly behind endurance.
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Old 08-03-2012, 01:03 PM   #8
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good answers

here is a thing is also an interesting question

when you run a lot, you also burn muscle not just fat

can that make you more prone to injuries?
Define "run a lot"

"Burning muscle" has more to do with an inadequate diet and poor nutritional intake timing when activity levels are high as opposed to running too much.


Not strengthening tendons and ligaments,poor lifting or running form, not giving body adequate time to recover and poor/non-existent warm-up/cool-down make you prone to injuries. Not, lack of muscle.

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Old 08-03-2012, 01:12 PM   #9
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Default Re: too much running vs too much weights...whats worse???

I don't really get the point of the question. I would rather have done extra running going into a fight than extra weights.
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Old 08-03-2012, 05:17 PM   #10
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Define "run a lot"

"Burning muscle" has more to do with an inadequate diet and poor nutritional intake timing when activity levels are high as opposed to running too much.


Not strengthening tendons and ligaments,poor lifting or running form, not giving body adequate time to recover and poor/non-existent warm-up/cool-down make you prone to injuries. Not, lack of muscle.

i disagree with you, because you do have a point about diet etc
it is clear that when you do intense cardio, you burn muscle

i can even notice it myself, after a few days of boxing-cardio workouts
my muscles seem smaller and when i go lifting, i have a harder time lifting
the same weights as i did last week.
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Old 08-03-2012, 05:18 PM   #11
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I don't really get the point of the question. I would rather have done extra running going into a fight than extra weights.
you have a point but i would still perfer to be the stronger man
rather the guy who cant walk because his knees and ankles are killing him

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Old 08-03-2012, 05:27 PM   #12
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i disagree with you, because you do have a point about diet etc
it is clear that when you do intense cardio, you burn muscle

i can even notice it myself, after a few days of boxing-cardio workouts

my muscles seem smaller
and when i go lifting, i have a harder time lifting
the same weights as i did last week.
Show me ze proof....


That it was not diet related and that you are not on a training routine that is trying to do too much of both, not enough rest and the diet is insufficient to keep/gain strength.
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Old 08-03-2012, 05:33 PM   #13
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Show me ze proof....


That it was not diet related and that you are not on a training routine that is trying to do too much of both, not enough rest and the diet is insufficient to keep/gain strength.

i dont need to show the proof
because all you need to do is workout for yourself and you will get the proof

some things are meant to be experience
not read about lol
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Old 08-03-2012, 05:59 PM   #14
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Default Re: too much running vs too much weights...whats worse???

So intense cardio like interval training burns muscle? If that's the case can you explain the physiques of sprinters?

Muscle size can vary day to day from simple things such as glycogen stores and water levels in the body. It isn't purely because you done some cardio a few times. Your lack of strength would be down to recovery or lack there of and nutrition. Again, not all down to doing some cardio.

BTW, your body uses muscle for fuel as a last resort. If you consume enough calories to fuel your workout (as Puma stated), catabolism does not become as issue.
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Old 08-03-2012, 06:47 PM   #15
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Last weekend, a guy I work with a Triathlete, who is trying for the GB team, in His age group competed in a full Triathlon. Big fit Man, who was picking up niggling injurys regular. So I decided to cut His Running out, all together. It stopped the eccentric Loading, interestingly being a year older, than the last time He competed in this event, He knocked !9 mins of His PB for the event, there you Go .
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