Howard Winstone

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Just watched it. Excellent piece.

[AlFrancis]

Originally Posted by TED 822

Yes Al,black and white on the BBC.It was close but thought at the time it was a just decision.Obviously a long time ago and only a teenager myself at the time so memorys a bit fuzzy but recall they were saying Legra was like Ali.He was taller than Howard and very clever.A classic boxing match and another example of how good,if not great,he was.Just seen the film about him on British Boxers,and it shows you his right hand.What a disadvantage.Comes across as a great lad too.

Great stuff, he was a great lad! I was lucky enough to meet him and share a couple pints with him on a couple of occasions, a lovely man!

[TED 822]

Originally Posted by AlFrancis

Great stuff, he was a great lad! I was lucky enough to meet him and share a couple pints with him on a couple of occasions, a lovely man!

Thanks for that,Al.Also saw him on TV against Don Johnson,who was a top rated contender.It was over here and I think Winstone was robbed.Doesnt happen in the UK very often nowadays.Also against another top ten man Rafiu King.Howard off the floor to win clearly,which confirms what we already know about him.Didnt see him against Floyd Robertson,who became champ AFTER Howard beat him.Beat Johnson clearly in return ,and got the decision.Carl Froch wasnt the first to go on a roll.
Bet thats a few beers youll never forget,Al
Rest in Peace,Howard.

[AlFrancis]

[quote=TED 822;13516271]Thanks for that,Al.Also saw him on TV against Don Johnson,who was a top rated contender.It was over here and I think Winstone was robbed.Doesnt happen in the UK very often nowadays.Also against another top ten man Rafiu King.Howard off the floor to win clearly,which confirms what we already know about him.Didnt see him against Floyd Robertson,who became champ AFTER Howard beat him.Beat Johnson clearly in return ,and got the decision.Carl Froch wasnt the first to go on a roll.
Bet thats a few beers youll never forget,Al
Rest in Peace,Howard.[/QUOTE

Certainly won't Ted, I'm good mates with Howard Jnr now. We always have a drink together at boxing dinners and meetings. Incidentally Don Johnson was my dad, Alan Rudkin's sparring partner for the Lionel Rose fight. Good fighter Johnson, you know he fought both Jimmy Carruthers and Lionel Rose. When he fought Rose, Carruthers was the refereee.

[TED 822]

[quote=AlFrancis;13516559]

Originally Posted by TED 822

Thanks for that,Al.Also saw him on TV against Don Johnson,who was a top rated contender.It was over here and I think Winstone was robbed.Doesnt happen in the UK very often nowadays.Also against another top ten man Rafiu King.Howard off the floor to win clearly,which confirms what we already know about him.Didnt see him against Floyd Robertson,who became champ AFTER Howard beat him.Beat Johnson clearly in return ,and got the decision.Carl Froch wasnt the first to go on a roll.
Bet thats a few beers youll never forget,Al
Rest in Peace,Howard.[/QUOTE

Certainly won't Ted, I'm good mates with Howard Jnr now. We always have a drink together at boxing dinners and meetings. Incidentally Don Johnson was my dad, Alan Rudkin's sparring partner for the Lionel Rose fight. Good fighter Johnson, you know he fought both Jimmy Carruthers and Lionel Rose. When he fought Rose, Carruthers was the refereee.

[TED 822]

Brilliant.Remember Don as a tough ,clever world class boxer.No disrespect saying thought he lost first time.Interesting to read about the Australian connection,bringing back a few memories,will look at his record now.Howard,Alan Rudkin,Lionel Rose,Walter mcGowan.Twelve months ago had to be dragged kicking and screaming to get a computer.Glad i did now as im learning some stuff i never would otherwise.All the best to all.

[TED 822]

As an addition,Al,am I right in saying your dad gave both Lionel Rose and a Japanese champion really close fights for the world title?Iremember him boxing Walter McGowan.Nothing in that one either,all terrific boxers.Think theres some great ones around today,but got a soft spot for the old heroes.

[AlFrancis]

Originally Posted by TED 822

Brilliant.Remember Don as a tough ,clever world class boxer.No disrespect saying thought he lost first time.Interesting to read about the Australian connection,bringing back a few memories,will look at his record now.Howard,Alan Rudkin,Lionel Rose,Walter mcGowan.Twelve months ago had to be dragged kicking and screaming to get a computer.Glad i did now as im learning some stuff i never would otherwise.All the best to all.

I messed that up Ted, Alan Rudkin is my dad. Don Johnson was dad's sparring partner for the Rose fight.

[AlFrancis]

Originally Posted by TED 822

As an addition,Al,am I right in saying your dad gave both Lionel Rose and a Japanese champion really close fights for the world title?Iremember him boxing Walter McGowan.Nothing in that one either,all terrific boxers.Think theres some great ones around today,but got a soft spot for the old heroes.

Yes Fighting Harada was the Japanese champ, that's him in the avatar with me dad.
Anyway, welcome to the forum Ted.

[TED 822]

Originally Posted by AlFrancis

I messed that up Ted, Alan Rudkin is my dad. Don Johnson was dad's sparring partner for the Rose fight.

Probably me,mate.Got it after reading it again.As to what i said before,looked up your dads record,as you know but i didnt he and Walter won one apiece,and the Japanese champ was Fighting Harada.Remember him knocking out American contender Ronnie Jones then saying he didnt think he had it in him.Modest,because he always looked like a puncher to me.

[TED 822]

Originally Posted by AlFrancis

Yes Fighting Harada was the Japanese champ, that's him in the avatar with me dad.
Anyway, welcome to the forum Ted.

Thanks for that Al.Regarding the Jones fight,think your dad said that tongue in cheek.A bit of scouse humour.Cheers.

[AlFrancis]

Originally Posted by TED 822

Probably me,mate.Got it after reading it again.As to what i said before,looked up your dads record,as you know but i didnt he and Walter won one apiece,and the Japanese champ was Fighting Harada.Remember him knocking out American contender Ronnie Jones then saying he didnt think he had it in him.Modest,because he always looked like a puncher to me.

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Funny enough Ted, there was talk of me dad or Walter fighting Howard in 66 or 67, shows how highly McGowan, a flyweight was thought of to be considered for a fight with Winstone, one of the top feathers of the time. Eddie Thomas was quoted as saying that Howard would slap both their arses in the same night. . Me, me dad and Howard jnr were talking about it a couple of years back after more than a few of pints. Howard said, "I'm glad you didn't fight each other cos you were mates, you wouldn't of fought me dad would you Al". Me dad said, "If the money was right"!

[TED 822]

Great story and thanks for the film