was cro cop 'past it' before going to the ufc?

davidwatts · 08-07-2012, 05:59 AM

i was just watching his fight against jds, i suppose his performance wasn't too bad at times, compared to later fights.
i consider he was 'past it' from his first ufc fight and on.
how well was he fighting in his last few bouts in pride, could you see he was on the decline back then?
was there a particular fight that marked his decline?

Stoo · 08-07-2012, 06:33 AM

Nah, was still in very good nick. But I do think age played a factor, not in terms of being 'shot' but more a case of cant teach an old dog new tricks

Just didnt adapt to life in the cage, had trouble closing down Sanchez due to the larger surface area, Gonzaga's elbows on the ground were totally new to him, and Kongo pushing him up against the cage was also something he hadnt experienced. Not surprising really for a man who had 50 odd fights in a ring, not counting the years of sparring ect. Only himself to blame for that imo

Gonzaga throwing that once in a life time shot also had a huge effect on him, not nice to be finished by your own go to move, not to mention the literal toll a shot like that would take on your brain. He also bent his leg backwards too as he went down

But all these things are just the after effects of the fact that he didnt adapt to the cage and came back after his initial run to face the likes of JDS when his punch resistance was just not good enough. His lack of killer instinct was gone too in his last 5 or six UFC appearances Overall a major disappointment, but he was not shot when he made the transition initially. We have seen his rapid decline since though. But that's the case for Wandy, Chuck, Tito ect. This fighting malarky takes a toll on you

rusty nails · 08-07-2012, 07:51 AM

objective fans answer - no
pride fans answer - yes he was shot beyond belief and lucky to be walking to the ring unaided. fuck dana white for making him fight and fuck the ufc. plus it was a shit card and the parking at the arena sucked

One Punch KO · 08-07-2012, 08:13 AM

He was in the prime of his career when he debuted at UFC 67. He was past it when he returned at UFC 99.

After Gonzaga beat him he never regained his form, despite occasional glimpses.

James23 · 08-07-2012, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by rusty nails

objective fans answer - no
pride fans answer - yes he was shot beyond belief and lucky to be walking to the ring unaided. fuck dana white for making him fight and fuck the ufc. plus it was a shit card and the parking at the arena sucked

This sums it up rather nicely.

liger05 · 08-07-2012, 09:17 AM

I would say Mirko achieved everything he wanted when he won the Pride GP (was never going to beat Fedor) and then when he went to the UFC the desire and hunger to adapt to fighting in the Octagon under different rules was gone.

KERRIGAN · 08-07-2012, 09:19 AM

It seemed like he either went off the roids or was on lower doses of it.

He looked soft in the upper body.

Either way, he had tremendous financial incentives to do well in the UFC and he did fuck all.

If Hector Lombard is a Can Crusher, why shouldn't Cro Cop's career be viewed that way?

globeman · 08-07-2012, 09:57 AM

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If Hector Lombard is a Can Crusher, why shouldn't Cro Cop's career be viewed that way?

Something to do with him being a Pride fighter.

KERRIGAN · 08-07-2012, 10:02 AM

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Something to do with him being a Pride fighter.

The term "Pride" is synonymous with the Gay Rights movement and all of the Pride Nut Huggers just further bear this out.

Stoo · 08-07-2012, 10:05 AM

Wow

Ne5ville14 · 08-07-2012, 10:09 AM

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Vic-JofreBRASIL · 08-07-2012, 10:16 AM

Gonzaga was to Mirko somewhat like Chavez was to Mel Taylor....you know.;..

KERRIGAN · 08-07-2012, 10:19 AM

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Wow

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Fixed

You two cunts are the poster boys for Gay Pride.

HeGlassedMe · 08-07-2012, 10:24 AM

Yes.

Stoo · 08-07-2012, 10:26 AM

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davidwatts mr grapey ESB Addict Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: australia Posts: 2,702 vCash: 500	was cro cop 'past it' before going to the ufc? i was just watching his fight against jds, i suppose his performance wasn't too bad at times, compared to later fights. i consider he was 'past it' from his first ufc fight and on. how well was he fighting in his last few bouts in pride, could you see he was on the decline back then? was there a particular fight that marked his decline?
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08-07-2012, 06:33 AM	#2
Stoo RIP T-Dog East Side VIP Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 14,938 vCash: 1000	Re: was cro cop 'past it' before going to the ufc? Nah, was still in very good nick. But I do think age played a factor, not in terms of being 'shot' but more a case of cant teach an old dog new tricks Just didnt adapt to life in the cage, had trouble closing down Sanchez due to the larger surface area, Gonzaga's elbows on the ground were totally new to him, and Kongo pushing him up against the cage was also something he hadnt experienced. Not surprising really for a man who had 50 odd fights in a ring, not counting the years of sparring ect. Only himself to blame for that imo Gonzaga throwing that once in a life time shot also had a huge effect on him, not nice to be finished by your own go to move, not to mention the literal toll a shot like that would take on your brain. He also bent his leg backwards too as he went down But all these things are just the after effects of the fact that he didnt adapt to the cage and came back after his initial run to face the likes of JDS when his punch resistance was just not good enough. His lack of killer instinct was gone too in his last 5 or six UFC appearances Overall a major disappointment, but he was not shot when he made the transition initially. We have seen his rapid decline since though. But that's the case for Wandy, Chuck, Tito ect. This fighting malarky takes a toll on you
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08-07-2012, 07:51 AM	#3
rusty nails Tszyu for PM!! East Side Guru Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: dunno..where am i??? Posts: 6,722 vCash: 1000	Re: was cro cop 'past it' before going to the ufc? objective fans answer - no pride fans answer - yes he was shot beyond belief and lucky to be walking to the ring unaided. fuck dana white for making him fight and fuck the ufc. plus it was a shit card and the parking at the arena sucked
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One Punch KO Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,511 vCash: 1000	Re: was cro cop 'past it' before going to the ufc? He was in the prime of his career when he debuted at UFC 67. He was past it when he returned at UFC 99. After Gonzaga beat him he never regained his form, despite occasional glimpses.
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liger05 puroresu fan 4 life!! ESB Addict Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: London, UK Posts: 3,149 vCash: 1000	Re: was cro cop 'past it' before going to the ufc? I would say Mirko achieved everything he wanted when he won the Pride GP (was never going to beat Fedor) and then when he went to the UFC the desire and hunger to adapt to fighting in the Octagon under different rules was gone.
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KERRIGAN Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Vegemite Island Posts: 4,676 vCash: 356	Re: was cro cop 'past it' before going to the ufc? It seemed like he either went off the roids or was on lower doses of it. He looked soft in the upper body. Either way, he had tremendous financial incentives to do well in the UFC and he did fuck all. If Hector Lombard is a Can Crusher, why shouldn't Cro Cop's career be viewed that way?
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Stoo RIP T-Dog East Side VIP Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 14,938 vCash: 1000	Re: was cro cop 'past it' before going to the ufc? Wow
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Vic-JofreBRASIL Vic East Side VIP Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Santos Posts: 13,842 vCash: 1166	Re: was cro cop 'past it' before going to the ufc? Gonzaga was to Mirko somewhat like Chavez was to Mel Taylor....you know.;..
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HeGlassedMe ufc is the new pet rock ESB Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Gaia Posts: 1,142 vCash: 303	Re: was cro cop 'past it' before going to the ufc? Yes.
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