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Old 08-07-2012, 06:37 AM   #31
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Did I really just see someone suggest he should fight lewis or holyfield?
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Old 08-07-2012, 06:45 AM   #32
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He should fight Harry Wills.
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Old 08-07-2012, 06:50 AM   #33
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I'm surprised to see people mentioning vitali. He scraped by chisora for christs sake. He's about 7 years past his best.

Much better would be for wlad to beat he who defeats vitali or he who is his sanctioned replacement.
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Old 08-07-2012, 03:33 PM   #34
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Did I really just see someone suggest he should fight lewis or holyfield?
JOhnson gets plenty of credit from beating jeffries who was out of the game for about long as Lewis.

One of Wlad's problems is that (despite the stamina problems story) he was stopped the also rans of the previous era - like Purity and Sanders. It looks very bad, paricularly when the current era as a whole really is so poor or at least looks to be. Lewis, who is in shape, has been out of the game for about as long as Jeffries was yet their are plenty of people who give johnson credit for his win over jeffries. Obviously it would be an easy fight, like Jeffries was and in reality he would deserver zero credit.

Shit, just looked at the date, it is 2012 now. How the hell did those last 10 years go so quick. That is probably why modern fighters cant fight anymore. Time is so much quicker nowadays there isnt enough in a day to train properly! Maybe that explains why records are always falling in other sports too?
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Old 08-07-2012, 04:16 PM   #35
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In historic terms, Povetkin will be seen as a significant omission.
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Old 08-07-2012, 07:13 PM   #36
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In historic terms, Povetkin will be seen as a significant omission.
How I look forward to the day when people criticize Wlad for not facing Povetkin...

After all, he was a beltholder, a top contender for years, even had an Olympic pedigree. Wlad didn't want any of that. He sure acted as though he wanted to face Povetkin, but he was really afraid of the Russian. Went as far as to sign a contract and even staged a press conference. Everyone saw through the charade when Wlad posed with a cardboard cut-out of Povetkin. That's when we all knew he had a yellow streak.

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Old 08-07-2012, 07:20 PM   #37
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The difference, boiler, is that the whole world wanted jeffries v johnson. It was the fight of the century.

Noone wants wlad v lewis.

Wlad has his legacy based upon dominance of top 5 opposition. He just has to keep doing what he's doing.

Even if he has a ten year reign and beats 20+ contenders during this time, his resume will be missing marquee names and for that reason I doubt he will ever break the top 3 (like holmes, it's just too big an ask with the resume's that are out there) but there's no reason he can't break the top 5.
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Old 08-07-2012, 07:35 PM   #38
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NO one .. at this point nothing is going to change ... he has mastered a style that utilizes his size and skills to excel in a safety first manner that hides his weak chin ... he will always be a very tough match up for most because of his skills but there will also be quite a number of others who all take him out .. he is simply not top ten.
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Old 08-08-2012, 06:24 AM   #39
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Wladimir ain't a top 10 heavy, and he never will be.

The division is a joke, terrible, diseased, the worst of all time, and by a HUGE margin.

Tony Thompson makes Buddy Baer look like a force of nature, defending against Mormeck makes Marciano's defence against Don ****ell look like the 'Rumble in the Jungle', and the man re-matched boxers who had already been as exposed as Katie Price's intellect.

The ONE rematch Wlad really needed to have (Against Sanders) he did not take. Actually his brother had to step in...his brother who has shared the top spot with him - but they'll never fight!

And people harp on about Dempsey never fighting Wills! For shame.

No amount of padding can save a ledger that has been lacking ever since it suffered a speed bump against the indomitable Ross Purity.
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Old 08-08-2012, 06:52 AM   #40
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Wladimir ain't a top 10 heavy, and he never will be.

The division is a joke, terrible, diseased, the worst of all time, and by a HUGE margin.

Tony Thompson makes Buddy Baer look like a force of nature, defending against Mormeck makes Marciano's defence against Don ****ell look like the 'Rumble in the Jungle', and the man re-matched boxers who had already been as exposed as Katie Price's intellect.

The ONE rematch Wlad really needed to have (Against Sanders) he did not take. Actually his brother had to step in...his brother who has shared the top spot with him - but they'll never fight!

And people harp on about Dempsey never fighting Wills! For shame.


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Old 08-08-2012, 06:57 AM   #41
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JOhnson gets plenty of credit from beating jeffries who was out of the game for about long as Lewis.

One of Wlad's problems is that (despite the stamina problems story) he was stopped the also rans of the previous era - like Purity and Sanders. It looks very bad, paricularly when the current era as a whole really is so poor or at least looks to be. Lewis, who is in shape, has been out of the game for about as long as Jeffries was yet their are plenty of people who give johnson credit for his win over jeffries. Obviously it would be an easy fight, like Jeffries was and in reality he would deserver zero credit.

Shit, just looked at the date, it is 2012 now. How the hell did those last 10 years go so quick. That is probably why modern fighters cant fight anymore. Time is so much quicker nowadays there isnt enough in a day to train properly! Maybe that explains why records are always falling in other sports too?

A couple of issues with that

1- Lennox Lewis is not a drug addict that waste millions of dollars on crack,hookers, and bling blings.
He is worth 165 Million+ CURRENTLY and is not gonna go broke.

2- A come-back Lewis might accidentally shatter Wlad's Chin and suddenly instead of Wlad getting that 'name' on his resume.

Lennox is now the GOAT.
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Old 08-08-2012, 05:07 PM   #42
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The difference, boiler, is that the whole world wanted jeffries v johnson. It was the fight of the century.

Noone wants wlad v lewis.

Wlad has his legacy based upon dominance of top 5 opposition. He just has to keep doing what he's doing.

Even if he has a ten year reign and beats 20+ contenders during this time, his resume will be missing marquee names and for that reason I doubt he will ever break the top 3 (like holmes, it's just too big an ask with the resume's that are out there) but there's no reason he can't break the top 5.
I think you misunderstood what i said.

I think that Wlad v Lewis would be a ridiculous and stupid fight. I also give it zero chance of happening and it never should or will happen. If it did, it would be an easy fight and Lewis would lose, like Jeffries did.

But, like it or not, many people would use it to elevate Wlad to unrealistic levels. A Lewis name (and that is all it is) would do the same to Wlad that it did to JOhnson.

Look at what the name Foreman did to Holyfield. OLD Foreman even though people like to say otherwise (if you ever could judge anything on film) is leagues behind prime Foreman, yet Holyfield scraping over the top of him has elevated Holyfield into many top 10 lists. Actually, going on film, you could say the same about Tyson and Holmes wins for Holyfield but we are getting way off topic.

Realistically, there are 2 fights that mean the most to Wlad's legacy. (and they might even be the same fighter or not exist). A win over Vitali or a win over the next long term successor. That will do a lot for his legacy.

Here is a question for all (including me to consider ) in a bit more detail. Which fighter that Wladimir beat went on to have the best career after he was actually beaten? Chris byrd obviously comes to mind. But after that, it really does look like Wlad has mainly beaten guys who got a ranking based on a short unbeaten run beating maybe one or two ranked fighters before going on to average results. I might be wrong on this though, i havent thought too hard about it yet.
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Old 08-08-2012, 08:34 PM   #43
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he's an ATG no doubt, but he isn't on the level of the likes of Holyfield, Frazier, Foreman, Lewis let alone Ali, Holmes and Louis. He could make a top 10 career, but it's quite unlikely mainly to not having that defining name on his resume.

Sure you could argue that the likes of Tyson, Holmes and even Louis too an extent didn't have the big win but they lost too great fighters. Corrie Sanders, Lamon Brewster and Ross Purity are not great fighters.
Holyfield - Has lost several fights (not even including any of his fights over 40). Wlad will probably fight until he is close to 40 and he would defeat the likes of Michael Moorer, John Ruiz & Chris Byrd). Holy only has 6 title defenses. Very low KO% for a HW Champion. Doesn't have the dominance or longevity Wlad has.

Frazier - 1 win out of his 5 biggest fights. Has a decent 9 title defenses. However, he only has won 32 fights. Stopped in 3 of his 4 fights. Draw against Floyd Cummings (who is this guy?).

Foreman - Didn't fight at the top level for a long period of time. Only 3 title defenses. Yeah the oldest HW Champion story is good, but besides that his resume is not very good.
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Dempsey above Holmes and Foreman should be a criminal offense. The names in their are virtually the same as mine, however Dempsey would be taken out for Holyfield. What your list like from 11-20?
11) Liston
12) Holyfield
13) Wlad
14) Charles
15) Vitali
16) Tunney
17) Patterson
1 Walcott
19) Jeffries
20) Bowe

*I constantly change 11-20.*
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Holyfield - Has lost several fights (not even including any of his fights over 40). Wlad will probably fight until he is close to 40 and he would defeat the likes of Michael Moorer, John Ruiz & Chris Byrd). Holy only has 6 title defenses. Very low KO% for a HW Champion. Doesn't have the dominance or longevity Wlad has.

Frazier - 1 win out of his 5 biggest fights. Has a decent 9 title defenses. However, he only has won 32 fights. Stopped in 3 of his 4 fights. Draw against Floyd Cummings (who is this guy?).

Foreman - Didn't fight at the top level for a long period of time. Only 3 title defenses. Yeah the oldest HW Champion story is good, but besides that his resume is not very good.
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