ESB ATGs Muay Thai / KickBoxing fighters Thread

[boranbkk]

Originally Posted by yaca you

Who did Petrosyan duck? Petro fought Buakaw when he was tearing the the world of kickboxing apart and at his best, and he has fought and easily handled the much bigger Kyshenko, why should he be afraid of JWP?

Petrosyan is far too good of a fighter to be counted out against anyone, JWP included. I would agree Petro would lose a clinch battle with Parr. the clinch isnt the only factor in muaythai and I dont see any evidence that he would have difficulty with elbows given his defence, movement and the fact that he has fought under FTR before.

under FTR, Petrosyan is the underdog... slightly. Under kickboxing rules however Giorgio is a huge favourite over Parr.

Both fighters have fought under both rules. Fighters are going to gravitate to rules they excel at. This "Petrosyan being scared" shit is garbage.

Hey Yaca take it easy mate. Both Pira and I are talking in an MT context. I agree under K1 kickboxing Petro would probabaly have taken it, but nder FMT JWP takes it. You know me I'm not a huge Petro fan but admit in the Kickboxing world he's the man to beat and a great fighter to watch. I just like stirring a little when it comes to Petro cos of the Buakaw robbery, I'll never forgive that!

Rememberunder MT rules Petro lost pretty convincingly to Buakaw (robbery) and the thing with Buakaw as you know well Yaca is he isn't nd never has been the best Thai at his weight. Ebven though I'm a massive Buakaw fan and I rate him as an ATG he never won either a Raja or Lumpinee stadium title.

In response to "the clinch isnt the only factor in muaythai" I agree, but it dramatically changes the style and way you approach your fight if you are used to fighting without it. It changes the game totally. As you say hs's more suited to KB than MT, but it seems strange to me that as he apparently came form an MT background and is such a big dog internationally why he never fights in Thailand anymore since he got beat. It puzzles me... I find it way to wierd. Cos to be fully respected you gotta take it to the Thais. Let's face it Kickboxing these days is just MT styled techniques just without the clinch, elbows etc.

And in answer to the last point about being scared. Now I've seen this many times, no matter how good or how famous some guys just have a mental barrier of fighting a Thai FTR and everything that brings with it. Of course Perto ain't scared of fighting guys, he's a vetran fighter, but alot of guys have this apprehension when it comes to the Thais reputation especially when fighting in Thailand, it can get to some guys mental and cause them problems. Maybe this is the case with Petro who knows?

And remember FTR in Europe isn't really full Thai rules at all. What I mean by that is your face can be cut to shreds by elbows in Thailand and the fight will still go on, you can lose your gumshield and the fight will go on till the end of the round, the meat market feel of the scene and of the oiling room pre the fight, the lack of recognition and the firece competiton, the doubt whehter the ringside doctor is any good or even if there is one! etc etc etc these are all little things that add up to real full Thai rules that can really get into a and take hold of a fighters head.

Just ignore me when it comes to Petro Yaca, you know what I'm like!

[yaca you]

Originally Posted by boranbkk

Hey Yaca take it easy mate. Both Pira and I are talking in an MT context. I agree under K1 kickboxing Petro would probabaly have taken it, but nder FMT JWP takes it. You know me I'm not a huge Petro fan but admit in the Kickboxing world he's the man to beat and a great fighter to watch. I just like stirring a little when it comes to Petro cos of the Buakaw robbery, I'll never forgive that!

Rememberunder MT rules Petro lost pretty convincingly to Buakaw (robbery) and the thing with Buakaw as you know well Yaca is he isn't nd never has been the best Thai at his weight. Ebven though I'm a massive Buakaw fan and I rate him as an ATG he never won either a Raja or Lumpinee stadium title.

In response to "the clinch isnt the only factor in muaythai" I agree, but it dramatically changes the style and way you approach your fight if you are used to fighting without it. It changes the game totally. As you say hs's more suited to KB than MT, but it seems strange to me that as he apparently came form an MT background and is such a big dog internationally why he never fights in Thailand anymore since he got beat. It puzzles me... I find it way to wierd. Cos to be fully respected you gotta take it to the Thais. Let's face it Kickboxing these days is just MT styled techniques just without the clinch, elbows etc.

And in answer to the last point about being scared. Now I've seen this many times, no matter how good or how famous some guys just have a mental barrier of fighting a Thai FTR and everything that brings with it. Of course Perto ain't scared of fighting guys, he's a vetran fighter, but alot of guys have this apprehension when it comes to the Thais reputation especially when fighting in Thailand, it can get to some guys mental and cause them problems. Maybe this is the case with Petro who knows?

And remember FTR in Europe isn't really full Thai rules at all. What I mean by that is your face can be cut to shreds by elbows in Thailand and the fight will still go on, you can lose your gumshield and the fight will go on till the end of the round, the meat market feel of the scene and of the oiling room pre the fight, the lack of recognition and the firece competiton, the doubt whehter the ringside doctor is any good or even if there is one! etc etc etc these are all little things that add up to real full Thai rules that can really get into a and take hold of a fighters head.

Just ignore me when it comes to Petro Yaca, you know what I'm like!

I would love to know how Petrosyan lost his fight against Buakaws former gym mate Nonthanan Por. Pramuk. I imagine it was in the clinch or was beaten in kicking exchanges. Or both. their is a posibility that it was a bad decision. but for me I think Petro is just not as suited for the thai stadiums as he is for the japanesee and european kickboxing circuit. Relized that and made the switch.

I guess I feel like Petro doesnt get appreciated like he used to on this forum. So I thought I should come to his defence a little bit. I also think Buakaw should have won against petrosyan when the two faced eachother in 2007 it was close but clear. In thailand it would have been even more clear, but even under kickboxing rules Buakaw should have won it. Besides that fight though Petro has been untouchable maybe people want to see him tested again...

Congratulations on the baby Boran, and welcome back!

[boranbkk]

Originally Posted by yaca you

I would love to know how Petrosyan lost his fight against Buakaws former gym mate Nonthanan Por. Pramuk. I imagine it was in the clinch or was beaten in kicking exchanges. Or both. their is a posibility that it was a bad decision. but for me I think Petro is just not as suited for the thai stadiums as he is for the japanesee and european kickboxing circuit. Relized that and made the switch.

I guess I feel like Petro doesnt get appreciated like he used to on this forum. So I thought I should come to his defence a little bit. I also think Buakaw should have won against petrosyan when the two faced eachother in 2007 it was close but clear. In thailand it would have been even more clear, but even under kickboxing rules Buakaw should have won it. Besides that fight though Petro has been untouchable maybe people want to see him tested again...

Congratulations on the baby Boran, and welcome back!

Thanks for the congrats Yaca.

I'm not too surprised about Petro's loss against a quality Thai in Lumpini especially as this was the first time he fought a higher class Thai in Thailand. His previous win in Samui against a Thai who was cannon fodder really, not a quality opponet. Fighting farang MT guys and Thais is different, it takes time to get used to it. I know he'd fought Thais before in Europe but that's a different ball game with out all the Thai variables I mentioned above and where were those guys in thier careers if they were in Europe in the early 2000s. I've still never seen that fight, I must be able to find it somewhere on the net.

Petro gets alot of deserved respect on here still especialy from the casuals, it's just us jungly MT diehards that are blasphemous!

[Flea Man]

You back in the land of smiles, Boran?

[boranbkk]

Originally Posted by Flea Man

You back in the land of smiles, Boran?

Nope, had the baby last week so tied down here until probably the end of the year, unless I have to do a quick trip back for a business.

Why, what's up?

[squanto]

Does anyone know what happened with The Contender Muay Thai Season 2? Was it ever filmed? The first season was great, much better than the boxing version.

[yaca you]

Originally Posted by squanto

Does anyone know what happened with The Contender Muay Thai Season 2? Was it ever filmed? The first season was great, much better than the boxing version.

The whole 2nd season fell apart and was never filmed. I was waiting for it to start but then it never did...

[Flea Man]

Originally Posted by boranbkk

Nope, had the baby last week so tied down here until probably the end of the year, unless I have to do a quick trip back for a business.

Why, what's up?

Just seeing how you were doin' Sir. Although if I am ever over there at the same time.....

[Flea Man]

Try again Boran, made space

[boranbkk]

Originally Posted by Flea Man

Just seeing how you were doin' Sir. Although if I am ever over there at the same time.....

Let me know when your going, it'd be good to meet up.

By the way trying to PM you......maybe you should check the fight sport asia site today some time b4 5.30 pm, remember what's happening in Manchester today!

[squanto]

I was really into kickboxing a few years ago, but it's really hard to follow if you live in the States like I do. Does HDNET still broadcast it?

[boranbkk]

Originally Posted by squanto

I was really into kickboxing a few years ago, but it's really hard to follow if you live in the States like I do. Does HDNET still broadcast it?

For Kickboixng you can follow and stream from:

Glory, a big swedish outfit who've taken the mantle form K1:

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K-1 in it's new form:

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Liverkick is a good site to keep you up todate with the US Kickboxin/Muay Thai news as well as most international stuff:

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In the US you have a magazine that is has afree app for iphone called Muay Thaimes.

For proper hardcore Thai Muay Thai action follow banana821 and muaydeetsport on youtube. They post all the latest fight action form Raja and Lumpinee etc.

You also have events like Thai Fight, Slamm, Tuff that can occasionally be streamed.

[Vic-JofreBRASIL]

This was posted here before ???? If not.....

Singdam Kiatmoo9 (red) vs Nong-O Kaiyanghadaogym (blue)

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_gKxVg8bes&feature=plcp[/ame]

Both ATGs ?
I think so......right ?

[Vic-JofreBRASIL]

Btw, check this fellas !
I didn´t watch it fully......but looks like a great video of the Kiatmoo9 Camp !!

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0JmMI1n-L8&feature=watch_response[/ame]

[yaca you]

Originally Posted by Vic-JofreBRASIL

This was posted here before ???? If not.....

Singdam Kiatmoo9 (red) vs Nong-O Kaiyanghadaogym (blue)

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Both ATGs ?
I think so......right ?

Both ATGs ?
I think so......right ?[/quote]

Yes I believe so. All these guys are trading wins and losses with the best of them. Singdam looked pretty good in that vid, I believe Singdam and Nong O are now tied at 4-4 between them.

By the way that reminds me check out this Lumpinee fight card coming up september 7th:

Singdam Kiatmoo9 vs Saenchai

Peneak Sitnumnoi v. Sam A Kaiyanghadaogym
Damien Alamos v Aranchai Kiatpatarapan
Saketdao Petphayathai v Petchboonchu FA Group
Nong O Kaiyanghadaogym v Jomthong Chuwatana
Diesellek Udonmuang v F 16 Rajanon
Wanchalong Sitsonong vs Chokpreecha Kor Sakunsua
Wanchai Sor Kittichai v Sarawut Pikadpadang




A article of the upcoming card here:

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By the way most of these fights are rematches. here is one of the earlier matchups from when Wanchalong and Chokpreecha met last year:

Chokpreecha (red) Wanchalong (blue)
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-SfOYQh2Vs[/ame]


and their fight about a month ago:

Wanchalong (red) Chokpreecha (blue)
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4m42PkKH5w[/ame]



Damn exciting aint it?