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Old 08-15-2012, 03:15 AM   #16
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Roy Jones never "put up 30 lbs and lost them" , more like 2-3 lbs , 5 at most , if at all .

He simply did not dehydrate against Ruiz , or he did , but not close 2d Xtent he did 4 his fights at 175 , that simple .
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Old 08-15-2012, 05:06 AM   #17
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Roy Jones never "put up 30 lbs and lost them" , more like 2-3 lbs , 5 at most , if at all .

He simply did not dehydrate against Ruiz , or he did , but not close 2d Xtent he did 4 his fights at 175 , that simple .
193 come fight night against ruiz, he was in the mid 180s for his lhw fights.
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Old 08-15-2012, 05:35 AM   #18
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193 come fight night against ruiz, he was in the mid 180s for his lhw fights.
U really think he cut only 10 lbs of liquids ? maybe during his 1st year or 2 at d weight , but not later . If he had , then d mid 180s was probably post diets and fully trained 2d max only left was 2 dehydrate .

Against Ruiz he did not have 2 diet nor dehydrate 2d max , he needed some mass so he wouldn't b pushed and bullied around more than what he could endure .

But anyway , even according 2 your post , which i disagree with , he only had 8lbs "2lose" when he had 2 come "back down" 2 lightheavyweight .

Tarver was more drained fighting Jones than Jones was fighting Tarver .

Also Tarver was/is older than Jones and was past drug abuse whereas Jones was not , plus Jones had more almost harmless "professional experience" than Tarver .

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U really think he cut only 10 lbs of liquids ? maybe during his 1st year or 2 at d weight , but not later . If he had , then d mid 180s was probably post diets and fully trained 2d max only left was 2 dehydrate .

Against Ruiz he did not have 2 diet nor dehydrate 2d max , he needed some mass so he wouldn't b pushed and bullied around more than what he could endure .

But anyway , even according 2 your post , which i disagree with , he only had 8lbs "2lose" when he had 2 come "back down" 2 lightheavyweight .

Tarver was more drained fighting Jones than Jones was fighting Tarver .
182 against Hall

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Jones was 31 vs Hall . Maybe he dehydrated less than I thought pre Ruiz .

But other lightheavyweights usually cut more weight and dehydrate more than he had 2do in each of his fights vs Tarver still .

And again , Jones lasted 12 with Tarver "immediately" after "coming back down 2 175" , as if he didn't have enough time 2 prepare and cut d weight .

It was his 2nd fight against Tarver in which he got his azz KOd .

And even years past it he even made 175 and once even 170 .

Do not blame his loss 2 Tarver on Roy's "heavyweight" stint .
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Roy Jones Jr. fought at 160 pounds with a same day weigh-in back in 1993.
Can't have been easy for him.
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3. You don't gain weight by drinking water, you just pass more water
You do go gain over a pound of weight when you drink a pint of water.
It is just water and it will be pissed out soon enough, but the number on scale will move up, which was Armstrong's aim.
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1. Firpo was a strong man weight lifter. Willard/Jeffries seemed to do allot of old school lifting. Archie Moore was a proponent of weight lifting

2. No it wasn't you're making assumptions on this without any evidence, in fact despite having a love for the history of the sport you don't seem to read up much on it. Endurance has always been important but fighters have always skimmed on it or not gone all out on it. Strength and size has also always been part of the sport.
I have looked at the training regimes of fighters from the early 1800s to the present, and certain things stand out. In the periods when fights were longer, there seems to have been much more emphasis on roadwork and endurance training.

I have not been able to find any example of a fighter prior to the 1980s, using weight lifting to add significant bod mass. As far as I can tell, Michael Spinks was a pioneer when he bulked up to fac Larry Holmes.

If you can find evidence to the contrary, it would be a significant adittion to the debate.

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3. You don't gain weight by drinking water, you just pass more water
What they did was drink a shed load of water before the weigh in, to bring their weight to the required mark, then pissed like there was no tomorrow.

Henry Amtrong did this to make welterweight. Today he would simply have added muscle mass, but back then it was not evn thought of.

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4. They debuted at around 220 without lifting weights, maybe they'd stay as low as 230. Maybe if they came from more deprived backgrounds they would never have grown into 220lb young men ofcourse
Lewis was able to make 220 up to the age of 26.

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5. Tyson was 200lbs at around 13 and supposedly never did weights to get upto 225lbs as a 20yo, yet 'would never be a real HW'
It is aledged that Tyson fell under the 200lb mark in prison. If so then I suggest that he would likley have debuted under thisweight in the 1930s.

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6. 1 off example and again, no feat of endurance
You are very ard to please.

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7. Yet another incorrect statement. Marathon runners do run at fast times, ie race times or quicker in training. Fitz was a fit man, but he didn't have amazing stamina or endurance, some modern MW's will have been fitter
Every running coach that I know (and I know a fair few), advises marathon runners to do their longer training runs torturously slowly. Speed work does have a place in marathon training, but it will always be in much shorter runs. Where longer trainng runs are concerned, the more time you spend on your feet the better.
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