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Old 08-16-2012, 04:48 AM   #1
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Default Top 15 Heavyweights ever?

01. Muhammad Ali
02. Joe Louis
03. Sonny Liston
04. Larry Holmes
05. George Foreman
06. Jack Dempsey
07. Lennox Lewis
08. Joe Frazier
09. Jack Johnson
10. Mike Tyson
11. Vitali Klitschko
12. Rocky Marciano
13. Ezzard Charles
14. Evander Holyfield
15. Floyd Patterson

16. Jersey Joe Walcott

With Jeffries and Langford ranking just behind.
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Old 08-16-2012, 05:01 AM   #2
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01 Louis
02 Ali

03 Holmes
04 Foreman
05 Lewis

06 Frazier
07 marciano
08 Holyfield

09 Johnson
10 Tyson

11 Dempsey
12 liston
13 Jeffries
14 Wlad

15 Walcott
16 charles
17 Schmeling

18 Patterson
19 Wills
20 Bowe
21 Vitali
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Old 08-16-2012, 05:38 AM   #3
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Default Re: Top 15 Heavyweights ever?

1.ali
2.louis
3.foreman

4.holmes

5.lewis

6.liston
7.frazier

8.marciano
9.holyfield
10.johnson

11.patterson
12.walcott
13.bowe
14.norton
15.charles

i dont include anyone who is not retired, holy has beeen retired since valuev imo.
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Old 08-16-2012, 06:12 AM   #4
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Old 08-16-2012, 06:14 AM   #5
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01. Muhammad Ali
02. Joe Louis
03. Sonny Liston
04. Larry Holmes
05. George Foreman
06. Jack Dempsey
07. Lennox Lewis
08. Joe Frazier
09. Jack Johnson
10. Mike Tyson
11. Vitali Klitschko
12. Rocky Marciano
13. Ezzard Charles
14. Evander Holyfield
15. Floyd Patterson

16. Jersey Joe Walcott

With Jeffries and Langford ranking just behind.

Blue, I believe are unjustifiably low for my liking, while Red are too high for my liking.
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Old 08-16-2012, 07:33 AM   #6
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1 Ali
2 Louis
3 Marciano
4 Foreman
5 Holmes
6 Lewis
7 Johnson
8 Frazier
9 Holyfield
10 Tyson
11 Liston
12 Jeffries
13 Dempsey
14 Wlad
15 Schmelling
16 Bowe
17 Wills
18 Charles
19 Patterson
20 Walcott
21 Vitali
22 Langford
23 Norton
24 Tunney
25 Sullivan
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Old 08-16-2012, 08:23 AM   #7
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I'm staggered at the choice of liston for number 3!

I've posted my top 20 or so countless times on here and the names seem pretty much the same, just in a different order.
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Old 08-16-2012, 09:08 AM   #8
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Liston, clearly, doesn't belong in a top 5 heavyweight list.
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Old 08-16-2012, 09:10 AM   #9
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1 Muhammad Ali
2 Joe Louis
3 Jack Johnson
4 George Foreman
5 Lennox Lewis
6 Larry Holmes
7 Rocky Marciano
8 Mike Tyson
9 Joe Frazier
10 Wlad Klitschko
11 Evander Holyfield
12 Ezzard Charles
13 James Jeffries
14 Jack Dempsey
15 Harry Wills
16 Riddick Bowe
17 Gene Tunney
18 Sonny Liston
19 Sam Langford
20 John L Sullivan


can't really find room for jersey nor floyd which depresses me slightly.
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Old 08-16-2012, 09:18 AM   #10
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1 Muhammad Ali
2 Joe Louis
3 Jack Johnson
4 George Foreman
5 Lennox Lewis
6 Larry Holmes
7 Rocky Marciano
8 Mike Tyson
9 Joe Frazier
10 Wlad Klitschko
11 Evander Holyfield
12 Ezzard Charles
13 James Jeffries
14 Jack Dempsey
15 Harry Wills
16 Riddick Bowe
17 Gene Tunney
18 Sonny Liston
19 Sam Langford
20 John L Sullivan


can't really find room for jersey nor floyd which depresses me slightly.
Schmeling's absence should depress you as well....I like to flop them in for Sullivan, Sam & Gene, either way nice list...I love Johnson at 3 even though I don't place him that high personally.
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Old 08-16-2012, 09:45 AM   #11
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Schmeling's absence should depress you as well....I like to flop them in for Sullivan, Sam & Gene, either way nice list...I love Johnson at 3 even though I don't place him that high personally.
yeah they're my next 3 actually.

I rate Johnson's resume higher than most do, I can accept that but I can also comfortably defend my position so I'm OK with it.

Sullivan set the bar for greatness as a HW, 7 years as undefeated champ is ridiculous. Anyone who surpasses the "bar setter" is my definition of a divisional ATG.

Gene I rank pretty highly h2h, his skillset is quite unique and he was proven.

Sam, I guess his resume speaks for itself and then it depends on how you see the coloured championship during the time of the colour bar. On occasion it surpassed the world championship imo and whilst Johnson was inactive and out of shape, Sam was destroying the top 5 as coloured champion.

I don't really hold a flame for lineal championships, it doesn't really tell the story for me. I appreciate it does for others, I just heartedly disagree.
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Old 08-16-2012, 10:09 AM   #12
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1. Ali
2. Louis
3. Marciano
4. Johnson
5. Lewis
6. Dempsey
7. Foreman
8. Holmes
9. Frazier
10. Tunney
11. Charles
12. Jefferies
13. Holyfield
14. Liston
15. Tyson
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Old 08-16-2012, 10:11 AM   #13
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I'm still working my way through the heavy's but from what I know I would definitely have Dempsey and Marciano above Liston and Walcott above Charles and Patterson.
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Old 08-16-2012, 10:49 AM   #14
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Can't believe the way you guys rank Liston!? He is easily among the 5 greatest heavyweights of all time. He was unlucky to be ducked for so many years we never saw him as a dominant champ however he cleaned the division as a contender moreso than Patterson did as the champion. He was also unlucky to run into a prime Clay. He beats them all bar Ali and possibly Louis, however I would be suprised is Joe's chin stood up to Liston's bombs.
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Old 08-16-2012, 10:51 AM   #15
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1 Muhammad Ali
2 Joe Louis
3 Jack Johnson
4 George Foreman
5 Lennox Lewis
6 Larry Holmes
7 Rocky Marciano
8 Mike Tyson
9 Joe Frazier
10 Wlad Klitschko
11 Evander Holyfield
12 Ezzard Charles
13 James Jeffries
14 Jack Dempsey
15 Harry Wills
16 Riddick Bowe
17 Gene Tunney
18 Sonny Liston
19 Sam Langford
20 John L Sullivan


can't really find room for jersey nor floyd which depresses me slightly.
Liston at #18 yet Wlad at #10????
Liston walks throgh 17-6 with ease
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