Randy Couture should fight James Toney in a Boxing Match. Why?

[PIRA]

I read this thread and it's an epic fail in reading comprehension.


Popkins What can I say? Word fucking games seem to be the prevalent theme.

I have been in fight gyms since I was six years old - James23 definition of what defines a MMA fighter is 100% correct. I would disagree about the "even ground" however if you talk the talk you better walk the walk as Toney had to.

The moment a boxer learns one pure vanilla submission or wrestling technique, the moment he learns one pure vanilla Muay Thai technique then he has by generally accepted definition learnt a bit, some, lots or crap mixed martial arts.

Put it in the real world - the moment a boxer talks shit about MMA fighters in a MMA gym then he is expected to jump in and show how superior boxing is. If the boxer won by atomic drop or flying off the top turnbuckle then I have hard fuckin time relating that to his boxing skills.

JeanPaulValley - hang your head in shame for even thinking this was a good thread and actually agreeing with Popkins and typing shit.

[Peter__1987]

I can't be arsed reading this stupid fucking thread, but i feel the need to point this out.

james toney CHALLENGED Randy to a MMA match and he got one, and lost.

Randy NEVER challenged Toney to a boxing match, infact, he admitted he would probably get knocked out in a round

[Nuke]

Originally Posted by Rob_Floyd

Agreed.

Also, Randy isn`t going around saying he could beat boxers at their own game. It was Toney saying that he would beat the top MMA heavyweights.

I like how everyone ignores this fact. This is the main reason this fight happened in the first place. Toney called out mma Randy answered, then beat him like a child. If Randy called out boxing I'd expect Randy to get in the ring and get beaten like an orphan. Fact is though that Randy isn't an ignorant twat like Toney.

[Peter__1987]

Originally Posted by PIRA

JeanPaulValley - hang your head in shame for even thinking this was a good thread and actually agreeing with Popkins and typing shit.

Jeanpaulvalley is just fucking obsessed by his hatred of mma and the fact that ray mercer beat tim shittypants syvia, like anyone gives a fuck.

[Vic-JofreBRASIL]

Give JDS 3 months of training and.... he...will.....wait.. .....(help me here Stoo !)....

[Kittikasem]

Just read this thread, quite funny, James23 is clearly dumb as a cross-eyed frog, everything he says is a rancid pile of manure.

[Stoo]

Originally Posted by Vic-JofreBRASIL

Give JDS 3 months of training and.... he...will.....wait.. .....(help me here Stoo !)....

Give JDS 3 month at training James Toney and Jimmy boy will be back down to 160 and challenging Benson Henderson

[macp1]

Originally Posted by James23

This is getting a bit stupid, so let me correct all you tards screaming that Randy should have to fight in a boxing match to "make it even".

MMA is an equal ground. You can do anything. You're not limited to singular skill sets. Toney, or any boxer, can use their boxing, but no one has to box with them. Just like Randy, or any wrestler, can use their wrestling, but you don't have to wrestle with them.

Do you see the difference yet?

If they had a wrestling match where Toney was forced to comply with Randy's greatest strength, then yes, your argument holds weight, but they didn't. We know what the result would be either way. If Randy fights James in a boxing match, James wins. If James competes against Randy in a wrestling match, Randy wins.

Now, if they compete in a contest where they can each do their own thing, then it's equal starting ground and Randy won.

Any other questions?

sounds like you'd support a world class soccer player going on the ice and playing hockey. You can wear shoes if you like on the ice. You wont be able to do much, but you're allowed. You can even head the puck to pass it. Virtually impossible to do, but you're allowed. This is the parallel to your argument that in MMA, you can do anything you want, so someone who has spent all their life learning a particular martial art, a very specific and targeted one at that, should be able to just defend all the other skills someone who has been trained in all of them.

[Vic-JofreBRASIL]

Originally Posted by Stoo

Give JDS 3 month at training James Toney and Jimmy boy will be back down to 160 and challenging Benson Henderson

Hahahaha

Oh, and btw...OP made some good points there.....

[PIRA]

Originally Posted by Kittikasem

Just read this thread, quite funny, James23 is clearly dumb as a cross-eyed frog, everything he says is a rancid pile of manure.

Fucked if I know how you come to this conclusion. I conclude the complete opposite - most of what he is countered with is just stupid word games. Anyone who actually trains would not get hung up in half the shit "debated".

[PIRA]

Originally Posted by macp1

sounds like you'd support a world class soccer player going on the ice and playing hockey. You can wear shoes if you like on the ice. You wont be able to do much, but you're allowed. You can even head the puck to pass it. Virtually impossible to do, but you're allowed. This is the parallel to your argument that in MMA, you can do anything you want, so someone who has spent all their life learning a particular martial art, a very specific and targeted one at that, should be able to just defend all the other skills someone who has been trained in all of them.

You should read Nuke's and Peter's post's - they sum up the issue correctly.

Toney talked shit, got a fight he never deserved and got whipped. Karma's a bitch. End of.

[Sunchild78]

Originally Posted by James23

This is getting a bit stupid, so let me correct all you tards screaming that Randy should have to fight in a boxing match to "make it even".

MMA is an equal ground. You can do anything. You're not limited to singular skill sets. Toney, or any boxer, can use their boxing, but no one has to box with them. Just like Randy, or any wrestler, can use their wrestling, but you don't have to wrestle with them.

Do you see the difference yet?

If they had a wrestling match where Toney was forced to comply with Randy's greatest strength, then yes, your argument holds weight, but they didn't. We know what the result would be either way. If Randy fights James in a boxing match, James wins. If James competes against Randy in a wrestling match, Randy wins.

Now, if they compete in a contest where they can each do their own thing, then it's equal starting ground and Randy won.

Any other questions?

Randy had the advantage because they fought under MMA rules. A fare fight would be no rules at all (street fight)or a complete new set of rules to suite that particular bout. If Randy fought in the boxing ring using boxing rules, Toney would of had the advantage just the same as Randy had. To take one out of there element and have him compete in another with very little training, especially aganist a veteren is far from being equal.

[macp1]

Originally Posted by PIRA

You should read Nuke's and Peter's post's - they sum up the issue correctly.

Toney talked shit, got a fight he never deserved and got whipped. Karma's a bitch. End of.

Toney was an idiot and shamed boxing. An idiot for asking for mma rules, and shamed boxing by being so shit.

I was just commenting on the idea that mma rules make it a fair fight, regardless of fighters, on the assumption that since boxing is a martial art and included in mma rules, they are on level ground to an extent. Kinda like my idea that put a soccer player in skates, and since he would be allowed to kick the puck, he can line up beside an elite hockey player on the ice.

[scurlaruntings]

Originally Posted by Kittikasem

Just read this thread, quite funny, James23 is clearly dumb as a cross-eyed frog, everything he says is a rancid pile of manure.

[The Spider]

Originally Posted by Popkins

Fail.


MMA is a sport. Randy Couture is an MMA fighter.

Boxing is a sport. James Toney is a boxer.


Randy Couture and James Toney fought in an MMA fight under MMA rules.

100% advantage Couture.

I don't even like Toney, but what you say above is correct.